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#1 Panthercules

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 02:35

Clarified Naming Guidelines for Submitted Historical Skins - Updated for New Requirements for Volume 6

First, please be clear - ALL OF THE OFFICIAL REQUIREMENTS ESTABLISHED BY 777 IN VIK'S NEW GUIDELINES POST REMAIN IN EFFECT AND MUST BE COMPLIED WITH (see here: NEW List of Requirements for Approved Aircraft Paint Schemes ). These clarified guidelines do not change those requirements - they just seek to standardize on the terminology used to designate the Unit designations for these Historical Skins.

In order to achieve some consistency in the presentation of these skins on the in-game Hangar lists, we have adopted a standard naming convention for expressing the unit/squadron numbers, as follows:

Central Powers:

Jagdstaffeln (Jastas): "Jasta[space]<number, with or without regional letter>" (e.g., "Jasta 10", "Jasta 23b")

Flieger Abteilung: "FA[space]<number>" (e.g., "FA 6")

Kampfstaffel (tactical bomber squadrons): "Kasta[space]<number>" (e.g., "Kasta 11")

Marine Feld Jastas: "MFJ[space]<number>" (e.g., "MFJ III")

Early Marine units (Marine Feldflieger Abteilung): "MFA[space]<number>" (e.g., "MFA 1")

Jagdgeschwaders: "JG[space]<number>" (e.g., "JG II")

Austria-Hungary: "Flik[space]<number>" (e.g., "Flik 41J")

Entente:

Australian Flying Corps Squadrons: "AFC[space]<number>" (e.g., "AFC 4")

Belgian Military Aviation Squadrons: "BMA[space]<number>" (e.g., "BMA 11")

French Escadrilles: "Esc.[space]<number>" (e.g., "Esc. 123")

Imperial Russian Air Service: "IRAS[space]<number>" (e.g., "IRAS 1stBAG")
[NOTE - use above for all but RUS localization section - for RUS, use "РИВФ" instead of "IRAS" (e.g., "РИВФ 1яБАГ")]

Italian Squadriglia: "Squad.[space]<number, with or without letter>" (e.g., "Squad. 91a")

Royal Air Force Squadrons (after April 1, 1918 combination of RFC and RNAS): "RAF[space]<number>" (e.g., "RAF 74")

Royal Flying Corps Squadrons: "RFC[space]<number>" (e.g., "RFC 139")

Royal Naval Air Service Squadrons: "RNAS[space]<number>" (e.g., "RNAS 10")

United States Aero Squadrons: "USAS[space]<number>" (e.g., "USAS 94")

Thus, some examples of acceptable historical skin names might be as follows:

"Jasta 10 Aloys Heldmann Sept. 1917"
"JG II Rudolf Berthold"
"USAS 94 Ltn. Robert Donaldson"
"RFC 139 Early 1918"

[Note - if somebody submits a skin for a type of squadron not listed above, we'll come up with a standard naming method for that type of squadron at that point.][/i]

Just to make sure everybody understands, this applies to the first (shorter, 35-character limit) of the two text strings that need to be translated in the 5 localization sections of the required .txt file - in other words, the part highlighted in bold/blue in the sample ENG section shown below (the example shows only one localization - of course, this needs to be done in all 5 localization sections):

//ENG:

"graphics\Skins\<correct aircraft folder>\<correct file name>.dds" "xxxxxxxx" "[UNIT], [Pilot Name and rank if known, camo type - in case if its special type or default one for the unit]" "[Plane type and serial number if known, in case if its default or non standart camo scheme - note it], [Unit], [Historical location if known], [Date if known]"


In all 5 localization sections, the first part of the skin name string (shown above as "[UNIT]") should be in English using the applicable standard naming convention shown above, and should NOT be translated or changed when the rest of the skin name is translated for the required localization (except as noted above for IRAS in the RUS localization section).

Also note - these clarifications do not apply to the way the required files themselves (the .dds, .jpg and .txt files) are named - [i]those files still need to be named just as outlined in Vik's post noted above
. These clarified guidelines apply only to the unit designation in the text strings inside the .txt file.
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#2 Panthercules

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 02:35

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 17:59

NOTE - the guidelines have been updated to add a new standard way to refer to a squadron in the Imperial Russian Air Service, now that we're getting some polls running for some Russian historical skins.
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#4 Dutch2

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 18:04

What to do, using the small letter after some Jasta numbers, like b for Bavarian Jasta :?:
Ignore these letter or put this direct in small letter format after the Jasta number.
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#5 Panthercules

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 23:08

What to do, using the small letter after some Jasta numbers, like b for Bavarian Jasta :?:
Ignore these letter or put this direct in small letter format after the Jasta number.

Either way is OK. So, you could use "Jasta 23" or "Jasta 23b" for example.
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Posted 05 April 2010 - 19:59

Guidelines have been updated to specify standard way of designating Royal Air Force Squadrons, for use with skins for periods after April 1, 1918, when the RFC and RNAS were combined to create the RAF.
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#7 Hellbender

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 16:30

Can we have a Belgian standard please?

It's crazy that we're such a forgotten force, knowing that so much of the fighting took place in Belgium…

:lol:



Since we have two official languages in Belgium, French and Dutch (actually three, German as well, but let's not get into that), we need to compromise as we always do here.

French: l'Aéronautique militaire belge
Dutch: Belgisch Militair Vliegwezen

The actual squadrons were called Escadrilles in French or Eskaders in Dutch.

So I propose the following:


"AMBMV Es.[space]<number>"

or simply:

"AMBMV[space]<number>"


I will adapt my historical skins accordingly.
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#8 Panthercules

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 01:50

Can we have a Belgian standard please?

It's crazy that we're such a forgotten force, knowing that so much of the fighting took place in Belgium…

:lol:



Since we have two official languages in Belgium, French and Dutch (actually three, German as well, but let's not get into that), we need to compromise as we always do here.

French: l'Aéronautique militaire belge
Dutch: Belgisch Militair Vliegwezen

The actual squadrons were called Escadrilles in French or Eskaders in Dutch.

So I propose the following:


"AMBMV Es.[space]<number>"

or simply:

"AMBMV[space]<number>"


I will adapt my historical skins accordingly.

LOL - if you had read your PM I sent you last Saturday, you would have seen where I was asking you about adding just such a standard Belgian squadron designator, so I could finish submitting one of your great Belgian skins to neoqb for approval :lol:

In the interest of brevity (to leave more of the max 35 character limit for pilot names or other info), I'm opting for the second formulation you've suggested above ("AMBMV[space]<number>"), and will update the clarified guidelines shortly.

(Note - I will fix the skin(s) whose polls have already closed, before I submit them to neoqb - it would help if you would fix any others you have currently in the pipeline.)
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 10:44

LOL - if you had read your PM I sent you last Saturday, you would have seen where I was asking you about adding just such a standard Belgian squadron designator, so I could finish submitting one of your great Belgian skins to neoqb for approval :lol:

In the interest of brevity (to leave more of the max 35 character limit for pilot names or other info), I'm opting for the second formulation you've suggested above ("AMBMV[space]<number>"), and will update the clarified guidelines shortly.

(Note - I will fix the skin(s) whose polls have already closed, before I submit them to neoqb - it would help if you would fix any others you have currently in the pipeline.)

:oops: :oops: :oops:

Zomg! My apologies, I feel silly now.

I'm just not used to getting PMs, that button always seems hidden from my eyes… (ask Imperator)

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But yes indeed, "AMBMV[space]<number>" seems like a good compromise.

Or as you suggested in your PM, the abbreviation "BMA[space]<number>" for Belgian Military Aviation is also fine and probably easier to recognise in the menu.
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#10 Panthercules

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 17:26

LOL - if you had read your PM I sent you last Saturday, you would have seen where I was asking you about adding just such a standard Belgian squadron designator, so I could finish submitting one of your great Belgian skins to neoqb for approval :lol:

In the interest of brevity (to leave more of the max 35 character limit for pilot names or other info), I'm opting for the second formulation you've suggested above ("AMBMV[space]<number>"), and will update the clarified guidelines shortly.

(Note - I will fix the skin(s) whose polls have already closed, before I submit them to neoqb - it would help if you would fix any others you have currently in the pipeline.)

:oops: :oops: :oops:

Zomg! My apologies, I feel silly now.

I'm just not used to getting PMs, that button always seems hidden from my eyes… (ask Imperator)

:roll:


But yes indeed, "AMBMV[space]<number>" seems like a good compromise.

Or as you suggested in your PM, the abbreviation "BMA[space]<number>" for Belgian Military Aviation is also fine and probably easier to recognise in the menu.

Ok - for brevity and ease of recognition, let's go with "BMA" - I'll update the clarified guidelines (and fix your prior submissions) accordingly.

Thanks.
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#11 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 17:54

I went to this thread to read about the new guidelines for historical skins but it seems these are the old ones.

Perhaps a link to an updated post might be appropriate, I found the updated txt template here:
NEW List of Requirements for Approved Aircraft Paint Schemes
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#12 Panthercules

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 23:30

Good point - I'll try to remember to tweak this one a bit later tonight when I get back from work.

[EDIT] OK - first post has been updated to reflect the new requirements from Vik.
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#13 J.j.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 18:01

I'm having some difficulties in naming my Nieuport XVII's of the "Escadrille de chasse terrestre du CAM de Dunkerque". Yes, that is the complete name of the unit.
What brief name should I have to use?
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 04:13

That's a tough one. After doing a little Google searching and reading about these C.A.M. (Centre d'Aviation Maritime) units, I'm not seeing any definitive, slam-dunk choice here, but given that we only have 35 characters max in that string I think we're going to have to compromise to some degree any way we go here.

If Fifi or another of our French pilots have a better suggestion, I'd be happy to hear it, but in the meantime based on what I've seen I'd suggest using "CAM Dunkerque" as the start for these, and just be as brief as possible with the rest of the name so the total doesn't exceed 35 characters.
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#15 J.j.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 16:13

Ok, I go with that.
But I thought we didn't have permission ti put a "space" in the name of the skin?

At the moment, it gives us:

N17_CAM Dunkerque_2
N17_CAM Dunkerque_3
N17_CAM Dunkerque_5
N17_CAM Dunkerque_6
N17_CAM Dunkerque_7
N17_CAM Dunkerque_8
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#16 Panthercules

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 06:03

Ok, I go with that.
But I thought we didn't have permission ti put a "space" in the name of the skin?

At the moment, it gives us:

N17_CAM Dunkerque_2
N17_CAM Dunkerque_3
N17_CAM Dunkerque_5
N17_CAM Dunkerque_6
N17_CAM Dunkerque_7
N17_CAM Dunkerque_8

No - I wasn't talking about the name of the skin files - I was talking about the "short name string" inside the .txt file. It is OK to have spaces in that text string (that's the text string that comes after the "xxxxxxxx" and which should start with "CAM Dunkerque" in your case, and can have a maximum of 35 characters total).

You are correct that you cannot have spaces in the name of the files themselves, but it also doesn't matter what you use as the names for the files as long as (1) it starts with "N17_", (2) it doesn't have any spaces, (3) it is no longer than 17.3 characters, i.e., 17 characters, plus the 3-letter file extension (.dds, .jpg and .txt), (4) it is different from any other skin file name already used, and (5) the names of all 3 required files for each skin (the .dds, .jpg and .txt files) are the same (except for the 3-letter extension, of course). So, you do not need to use the "CAM Dunkerque" in the file names, especially since it would make the file names too long. You could just use something like "N17_CAMDunk_1.dds", "N17_CAMDunk_2.dds", etc. if you want to.
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#17 J.j.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 11:40

Yes, I finally understood that. My mistake! I've find a correct name, and created a poll already.
Thanks!
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Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:08

2 questions.

First, how do I make the .txt file work?

Second, what do we do for planes in museum paint schemes? If you count those as historical…
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