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#41 J2_SteveF

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 13:27

Have I or someone for J2 upset you Zooropa?

Not quite sure where the hostility is coming from


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#42 J2_PikeStance

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 13:42

That doesn't surprise me somehow.

How would be surprised either way? I only started to play RoF about a month ago and until now I have never expressed an opinion about servers.  

 

How do you arrive at that belief?

There are servers that hold up to 65/70 participants and it is rare to see numbers in the teens. In fact, the only time I see numbers greater than 20 is when there is an event being held. The point of having multiple servers to provide both varieties and to accommodate the numbers of participants. The most important being the latter since the more people you have the greater the demand for variety. I think it is pretty obvious that players are spread thin. 


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#43 J5_Klugermann

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 14:26

A member of J5 going 'round all the Servers poaching pilots will certainly have helped, assuming it happened again this week..

 

Sorry to disappoint ZF, didn't do it this week. Rationale was rather simple...One server with 40-50 people is better than two or three with 10-20.

 

The idea seems to have caught on. You should try it, it has been a lot of fun.


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#44 Arty_Effem

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 14:36

There are servers that hold up to 65/70 participants and it is rare to see numbers in the teens

 

The configured capacity of a server does not always reflect its actual capabilities, with at least one RoF server that would be flat on its face at fifty percent.

 



The point of having multiple servers to provide both varieties and to accommodate the numbers of participants. The most important being the latter since the more people you have the greater the demand for variety. I think it is pretty obvious that players are spread thin. 

 

Most if not all the RoF servers are furnished by private individuals or groups each with their own motivation, which could be benevolence, a desire to fill a specialist requirement or perhaps just sheer frustration and exasperation at the quality of existing offerings. The fact that the size of the active community at any moment is less than the capacity of available servers, does not dictate that there are too many servers in operation.


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#45 J2_PikeStance

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 15:26

You are welcome to believe that. The fact of the matter is, the smaller the community then the less it can offer. I would choose to play a less than ideal server with more participants than a sparsely one. 

I personally prefer to play on a server with a specific focus rather than just there. The impression I am giving in just a month of observing that is what the community as a whole wants as well. These special events attract a large number of participants. It wasn't this server, but Flanders and Flames as well. Even when special events are not being held, the other servers are sparse. It is clear to me that is what the community wants. Personally, I would like these special events to rotate so that other time zones can enjoy them. 

 

Perhaps if the community was larger there would be more participants interested in just a server, but that is not the case. In fact, the middling hardcore tends to be in smaller communities. 

 

The only servers you really need;

1 Beginner server

1 Intermediate server

1 Advance server

1* You can have occasional special events, like Flanders in Flame, this one, etc... *Basically One at a time. 

TOTAL 3 basic servers

If individual groups prefer to have their own server for training, then that is their prerogative. (You could just have two, one for Entente Squadrons and one for Central Squadron). <- just my opinion

 

There is no point running servers where everyone will be spread out among them. 


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#46 Zooropa_Fly

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 16:07

I've said for a long time there are probably too many servers relative to pilot numbers, but that's just how it is.

The servers are put up and run by private individuals as previously noted, so the number of available servers can't be controlled.

It's all very well pointing out there were 50+ on Sunday night (which is great to see), but most of those pilots fly only once a week from my estimation.

Some of us still fly every day.

 

But none of this has anything to do with enticing players on other servers, that's highly disrespectful to the server provider and the pilots flying at that time.

That's a concept that really shouldn't need any explanation.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 16:11

I've said for a long time there are probably too many servers relative to pilot numbers, but that's just how it is.

The servers are put up and run by private individuals as previously noted, so the number of available servers can't be controlled.

It's all very well pointing out there were 50+ on Sunday night (which is great to see), but most of those pilots fly only once a week from my estimation.

Some of us still fly every day.

 

But none of this has anything to do with enticing players on other servers, that's highly disrespectful to the server provider and the pilots flying at that time.

That's a concept that really shouldn't need any explanation.

So you can't be having someone coming into your server only once a week to let people know an event is going on?  If you fly throughout the week this shouldn't be a problem.


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#48 Zooropa_Fly

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 16:41

I don't run a server '103, but the answer to your question is "no".

 

Try imagining the boot on the other foot...


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 16:42


The only servers you really need;

1 Beginner server

1 Intermediate server

1 Advance server.

 

We've already established that servers cater for a range of scenarios or disciplines, so by your reasoning we may need three of each.

 

 

There is no point running servers where everyone will be spread out among them.

 

 

In that case what criteria would you use to decide which servers should remain?


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#50 J5_Spyboy

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:00

I think this is a pretty lame discussion achieving very little. If people want to put up servers all well and good, you cant restrict the numbers. What you can do is make a particular server attractive to a particular type of pilot by game type, event, planeset and server settings.

The secret to populating your server is communication which is why imho FiF, Bloody April, JG1/103 Thursday night and Cubans Vintage Syndicate seem to do so well, these events are announced, twitch streamed and you tubed.

I think there are a few more newcomers here at present so lets encourage them!

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#51 US103_Furlow

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:03

I don't run a server '103, but the answer to your question is "no".

 

Try imagining the boot on the other foot...

I wouldn't have a problem with it if I ran a server.


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#52 J5_Klugermann

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:10

 

But none of this has anything to do with enticing players on other servers, that's highly disrespectful to the server provider and the pilots flying at that time.

That's a concept that really shouldn't need any explanation.

 

I tend to be somewhat dense. Please indulge me and amplify your response.


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#53 J2_SteveF

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:11

I think it all depends on how the message is conveyed.

 

I've been on Warground's warming up prior to joining a War mission like BA or FiF and appreciated the heads up the mission is starting.

 

The other thing being, the Cuban Syndicate Server is up primarily to provide a Sunday Mission. We haven't setup to challenge any other server, we only put the server up to run the old Vintage Missions on a Sunday evening. With the occasional midweek event like the JG1 and 103rd Thursday Fly-in. Some Sundays we run just one long mission with a mission start time akin to a "War Mission".

I don't think its a bad thing to give people a heads up and I certainly wouldn't mind if the reverse was to happen to us. (boot on the other foot)

If FiF or BA are running a mission that conflicts with a VM night and everyone leaves after being given a heads up...... "Well there's a campaign on what else should I expect!"


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:18

I have a bit of a different perspective on all this.  NFF is a quick dogfight server.  It's the place where people who want to get in the action quick, load up about 15% fuel, shoot a few planes down, die, go up again, shoot a plane down, die, etc...

 

The original Vintage missions used to have locked fuel loads.  It was regarded as the "Serious" or perhaps "Realistic" server.  However, Cuban unlocked the fuel loads, which of course is his prerogative.  Frankly though, I don't want the quick-dogfight crowd to come in this server.  I think Cuban and SteveF might differ from me on this, because obviously they want more people...but as a mere patron of their server, I don't like to go up against some clown in a Camel with only enough fuel for a one way trip who is just interested in finding a quick dogfight, (taking full advantage of his unrealistic fuel load) and has no intention of coming back.  If I want that kind of fight, I'll go to NFF.  I go to Cuban's specifically to avoid that sort of playing style...

 

So, Zooropa doesn't want anyone to come in to NFF and try to draw people into Cuban's?  I say then, let us accomodate that request!


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#55 Zooropa_Fly

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:23

Chat quote from a member of J5, from 'Central's "How to fly SE5" video :-

 

"It is "not done" to promote your own game on someone else's server..."


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:26

I have a bit of a different perspective on all this.  NFF is a quick dogfight server.  It's the place where people who want to get in the action quick, load up about 15% fuel, shoot a few planes down, die, go up again, shoot a plane down, die, etc...

 

The original Vintage missions used to have locked fuel loads.  It was regarded as the "Serious" or perhaps "Realistic" server.  However, Cuban unlocked the fuel loads, which of course is his prerogative.  Frankly though, I don't want the quick-dogfight crowd to come in this server.  I think Cuban and SteveF might differ from me on this, because obviously they want more people...but as a mere patron of their server, I don't like to go up against some clown in a Camel with only enough fuel for a one way trip who is just interested in finding a quick dogfight, (taking full advantage of his unrealistic fuel load) and has no intention of coming back.  If I want that kind of fight, I'll go to NFF.  I go to Cuban's specifically to avoid that sort of playing style...

 

So, Zooropa doesn't want anyone to come in to NFF and try to draw people into Cuban's?  I say then, let us accomodate that request!

 

Good points ICE and I do agree. But the trouble with locking stuff down is it causes debate about what a "fair" fuel percentage for each type should be.
I like to think we do get the more serious player to jump on and on the whole most I see have the right attitude.


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#57 J2_SteveF

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:28

Chat quote from a member of J5, from 'Central's "How to fly SE5" video :-

 

"It is "not done" to promote your own game on someone else's server..."

 

.....and what does that have to do with Cuban and me. Neither of us are in J5.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:31

Chat quote from a member of J5, from 'Central's "How to fly SE5" video :-

 

"It is "not done" to promote your own game on someone else's server..."

 

 

Holy mother of god...I'm going to have to have a little discussion with old 'Stache about his Mr. Checkov impersonation.

 

Regarding a member of J5 telling someone that it wasn't proper etiquette for someone to come into a server and promote a different one, he is entitled to that opinion.  He has an opinion, Klug has one, and I just stated mine above.


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#59 Zooropa_Fly

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:32

The person poaching pilots is from J5, as is Ice Age who commented just before me.


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#60 Ice_Age

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:43

OK, Fahnrich Klugermann...please stop poaching pilots from NFF.

 

Happy, Zooropa? 


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#61 US103_Furlow

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 17:46

The person poaching pilots is from J5, as is Ice Age who commented just before me.

And neither of them made the chat comment you speak of.

http://stats.newwing.../mission/18668/


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#62 J5_Klugermann

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 18:11

OK, Fahnrich Klugermann...please stop poaching pilots from NFF.

 

Happy, Zooropa? 

 

I'd be lucky if I could poach an egg.

 

And neither of them made the chat comment you speak of.

http://stats.newwing.../mission/18668/

 

I did come into NFF a couple of Thursdays ago to let people know Cubans was starting in case they had any interest in joining. I was quickly rebuffed by ZF.


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#63 Ice_Age

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 18:14

I'd be lucky if I could poach an egg.

 

 

I did come into NFF a couple of Thursdays ago to let people know Cubans was starting in case they had any interest in joining. I was quickly rebuffed by ZF.

 

I hope you at least told him to go get stuffed on the way out.  That's what I would have done.


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#64 J2_PikeStance

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 18:15

I've said for a long time there are probably too many servers relative to pilot numbers, but that's just how it is.

The servers are put up and run by private individuals as previously noted, so the number of available servers can't be controlled.

It's all very well pointing out there were 50+ on Sunday night (which is great to see), but most of those pilots fly only once a week from my estimation.

Some of us still fly every day.

 

But none of this has anything to do with enticing players on other servers, that's highly disrespectful to the server provider and the pilots flying at that time.

That's a concept that really shouldn't need any explanation.

 

I don't run a server '103, but the answer to your question is "no".

 

Try imagining the boot on the other foot...

The number of servers is relative to the cooperative nature of the community. 

As I said, I do not have a problem with anyone encouraging people to join a unique event. It would be different if it going to a server to server on a nightly basis. 

If the "boot on the other foot" then I wouldn't have a problem either. It is a unique event. 

 

We've already established that servers cater for a range of scenarios or disciplines, so by your reasoning we may need three of each.

 

 

 

 

In that case what criteria would you use to decide which servers should remain?

Any answer I would give would lack the sensitivity of being a member of the community for an extended period of time. 

On the surface, New Friends and Fliers seems to be committed to new pilots. New Wings Warground is a well-established server as well. Both NFF and New Wings have intermediate servers. I am not sure we need both. Alternating weeks could be a solution if both parties are agreeable. 

Asa far as the other servers, I have no idea who runs them or anything (e.g. Dances with Death), but no one is usually in them. 

 

 

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On another matter, why not just mandate the fuel load that was normally done during the war? 


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 18:17

Any answer I would give would lack the sensitivity of being a member of the community for an extended period of time.

 

You'll get over it. ;)


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#66 J5_Spyboy

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 18:51

Ice:-

You'll get over it. ;)

LMAO


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#67 J2_Bidu

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 18:52

A member of J5 going 'round all the Servers poaching pilots will certainly have helped, assuming it happened again this week..


Was he using hypnosis?
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Posted 19 February 2018 - 19:23



The number of servers is relative to the cooperative nature of the community. 

 

I may start a compendium of your nonsensical sentences.

 

 

On the surface, New Friends and Fliers seems to be committed to new pilots.

 

While beneath the surface a beginner-hostile free-for-all prevails.

 

 

Both NFF and New Wings have intermediate servers. I am not sure we need both. Alternating weeks could be a solution if both parties are agreeable.

 

These days they seem to find each other decidedly disagreeable, with some past and present NFF members claiming to be banned from NW, with the latter's admins lacking the character to give an explanation.

 

 

As far as the other servers, I have no idea who runs them or anything (e.g. Dances with Death), but no one is usually in them.

 

Some servers are designed to appeal only to the enlightened minority of the community. One way or another any decent server will indicate its operator and/or offer a feedback path.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 19:28

There is nothing wrong in unlocking fuel load at this point. Syndicate might be gathering all that people during Sundays also from that. Anyway, Syndicate did not accommodate the nerfed planes in the past, especially the Camel and the Tripe, both planes that became unusable with 100% fuel. The lingering problem is that part of the (bitter) community will only rest when they get a simulator that does not have the Camel and the Dr.1, but it does not work that way. These planes exist and will continue to exist and they will be a handful for who is inexperienced / or experienced for that matter.

 

I've been to Syndicate lately and it is fine, the crowd is the same, the missions are the best we currently have and the Sunday missions are packing a good crowd, which is healthy for ROF and FC in general.

 

It would be cordial / the right etiquette to ask first to announce the Sunday mission in other servers, but I also think that it never hurt other servers. Syndicate only populates the Sunday mission for years and it draws most of the players anyway. So the community in general, server owners included, could support the mission regardless. Unless they have a beef, but that's another matter.  It is the best ROF has to offer for now in terms of full real and it is a good opportunity for rookies to get a taste of it.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 19:38

 

Some servers are designed to appeal only to the enlightened minority of the community. One way or another any decent server will indicate its operator and/or offer a feedback path.

 

Wow !!!  Servers for those amongst us with more eclectic tastes. 


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#71 Arty_Effem

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 20:07

Wow !!!  Servers for those amongst us with more eclectic tastes. 

 

I should say it's quite the reverse, with all unique concepts regrettably to be found nowhere else.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 20:13

I may start a compendium of your nonsensical sentences.

I am going, to be honest with you. I do not care for this type of discussion. I rather waste my time doing anything than dealing with an anonymous passive aggressor. Shall we start again,...be a little nicer. 

 

 

While beneath the surface a beginner-hostile free-for-all prevails.

 

 

This was my impression. This is why I have opted not to play on the server. 

It would be nice if there was an actual server where new pilots can learn, but I found that joining a squadron to be an infinitely better option. While I did join J2, I met the guys from J5 and I watched the guys from JG1. They  all have classy guys. While I cannot speak for any of the Entente groups, but the 103 seems like a nice bunch of guys. It is a can't go wrong proposition for any new pilot. But that is not the most ideal. It would be nice to have a place for new pilots to practice and learn and have various squadrons recruit from there. For the moment, this doesn't exist. 

 

 

These days they seem to find each other decidedly disagreeable, with some past and present NFF members claiming to be banned from NW, with the latter's admins lacking the character to give an explanation.

 

Yes, this refers to mu "nonsensical sentences."

 

 

 

Some servers are designed to appeal only to the enlightened minority of the community. One way or another any decent server will indicate its operator and/or offer a feedback 

 

 

 

I do not know if I am reading this well or not, but you seem very angry.


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 04:05

Thanks all for continuing to support Cuban and myself and our server.

 

We had another good night last night with pilot numbers over 50 during peak time (@20:00 UTC) and sides were pretty much balanced with around 20-25 a piece.

 

We have had great support from the community over the last year with an average 40 players on every Sunday and we are very grateful for that.

 

This continued brilliant support makes it a very easy decision for us keep the server up and running.

 

To return to the original intent of this thread...Big thanks to all you gents for flying on our server.  We are honored to have you all and have had a hell of a run over the last year.  The participation, appreciation and feedback have been more than we ever hoped for. 

 

As long as there are some willing souls eager to take up these old crates and do battle in the skies over France, we'll make sure there's a friendly aerodrome, a well stocked mess hall and a nearby chateau available for all. Salute!

 

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#74 US103_Furlow

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 04:21

Hey Cuban, Mike Lane hopped into my turret and almost team killed me Sunday.

http://vintage-missi...t/sortie/14587/


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 04:50

Hey Cuban, Mike Lane hopped into my turret and almost team killed me Sunday.

http://vintage-missi...t/sortie/14587/

 

There's always one...

 

 

To return to the original intent of this thread...Big thanks to all you gents for flying on our server.  We are honored to have you all and have had a hell of a run over the last year.  The participation, appreciation and feedback have been more than we ever hoped for. 

 

As long as there are some willing souls eager to take up these old crates and do battle in the skies over France, we'll make sure there's a friendly aerodrome, a well stocked mess hall and a nearby chateau available for all. Salute!

 

Many thanks to you and SteveF for hosting such an excellent server! Although I wasn't too keen on Cuban and his posse forcing me to ditch twice  :icon_lol: 
 


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 07:43

Thanks for hosting it guys, it's great.  :icon_e_salute:

 

Not that I didn't have a blast on Wargrounds yesterday. They had the Dolphin in the plane set and we had a nice 4x1 fight (right, Cuban?)  ;) We enjoy fair odds.


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#77 No.42_Cuban

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:52

Lol, that was the fight I was looking for when I saw all those J2 names on the Wargrounds list, good times :)


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#78 US103_Larner

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 15:42

Thanks for hosting it guys, it's great.  :icon_e_salute:

 

Not that I didn't have a blast on Wargrounds yesterday. They had the Dolphin in the plane set and we had a nice 4x1 fight (right, Cuban?)  ;) We enjoy fair odds.

 

3x1....Cuban blasted me in the face with a .303 right off the bat when I wasn't paying attention  :icon_lol:  


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#79 US103_Furlow

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Posted 27 May 2018 - 00:12

Stats aren't being recorded.


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#80 J2_SteveF

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Posted 27 May 2018 - 10:22

There is a problem with squadron stats at the moment. But pilot stats are still ok.

Also there was a short period where the stats parser wasnt running after the RoF update. But I fixed that a couple of days ago.
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