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#41 PatAWilson

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 17:43

So - been quiet. What I have on my list is:
1. fix the airfield reported by Husar
2. implement inter service transfers
3. implement end of campaign in the east with transfer to the west as an option.
4. implement retirement (advance time to end of war) for those who do not wish to transfer.

Right now the units are decent representatives of actual units located in reasonable proximity to where they really were. It works to give a taste of the eastern front and allow for an Ilya Muromets career. We all know that this map is not all encompassing, so I am looking to accomplish "feel" more than strict historical accuracy.

Future: items that do not need to be addressed in the first release.
Move the squadrons around a bit
Restore moving front for east and west

A request: if somebody owns the Ilya Muromets can you please try to fly a few missions and provide feedback?

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#42 1PL-Husar

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 23:09

Good i try to help with Ilya,
BTW Airfield 26 has same problem (wrong airplanes placement).
And :
I can combat rapport any mission - campaign doesn't check dates, log name etc. PWCG simply takes last log file even generated from last QMB;
I had some scout missions to escort bombers but all were Fe2bs escort not one to escort Ilya Muromets (they airfield base was in near proximity) why?
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#43 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 01:07

I had some scout missions to escort bombers but all were Fe2bs escort not one to escort Ilya Muromets (they airfield base was in near proximity) why?

I had no scout missions for Russians scouts (or AUstro-Hungarnians, for that matter) - only Russian squadrons available were one for recon and one for strategic bombers. Thought it was intentional, am I supposed to see scout squadron, too?
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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:57

I had some scout missions to escort bombers but all were Fe2bs escort not one to escort Ilya Muromets (they airfield base was in near proximity) why?

I had no scout missions for Russians scouts (or AUstro-Hungarnians, for that matter) - only Russian squadrons available were one for recon and one for strategic bombers. Thought it was intentional, am I supposed to see scout squadron, too?


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#45 1PL-Husar

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 14:56

I started bomber carrier dated 01/01/1916 (Airfield B25 flying Ilya Muromets) and first mission there was no winter textures on map. After one hour route to target only one of three AI boombers drop two boobs on target. After that he closed bomb door and they all went to home.
BTW Airfield25 - has wrongly positioned airplanes on aerodrome.


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#46 PatAWilson

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 17:22

I'm not sure how to get the full flight to release their full load. The MCU that I use is "Attack Area" which I had thought would make them drop their bombs into the designated area. If any mission builders out there have better ideas to get the full flight to release, I would appreciate the input.
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#47 PatAWilson

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 17:25

I had some scout missions to escort bombers but all were Fe2bs escort not one to escort Ilya Muromets (they airfield base was in near proximity) why?

I had no scout missions for Russians scouts (or AUstro-Hungarnians, for that matter) - only Russian squadrons available were one for recon and one for strategic bombers. Thought it was intentional, am I supposed to see scout squadron, too?

At first it is only recon planes. Scouts show up a bit later (I think later in 1916).

From the bit of reading that I did it seemed that the first few victories were two seater on two seater, with scouts taking more of a role later than they did in the west. I was trying to capture that feel by delaying the entry of scout units.
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#48 1PL-Husar

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 18:05

I see and it is reasonable, it would be nice to have some two seater for RU side, not just Iyla, smaller one like SPAD A2, Farman F-40 etc.
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Posted 25 January 2015 - 18:39

I had some scout missions to escort bombers but all were Fe2bs escort not one to escort Ilya Muromets (they airfield base was in near proximity) why?

I had no scout missions for Russians scouts (or AUstro-Hungarnians, for that matter) - only Russian squadrons available were one for recon and one for strategic bombers. Thought it was intentional, am I supposed to see scout squadron, too?

At first it is only recon planes. Scouts show up a bit later (I think later in 1916).

From the bit of reading that I did it seemed that the first few victories were two seater on two seater, with scouts taking more of a role later than they did in the west. I was trying to capture that feel by delaying the entry of scout units.


It matches what I have read; So I just need to adjust the starting date.

BTW, I'm finishing a rough description of Russian decorations and (lack of) aviation criteria for them. Just need time to edit it.
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#50 PatAWilson

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 20:55

I see and it is reasonable, it would be nice to have some two seater for RU side, not just Iyla, smaller one like SPAD A2, Farman F-40 etc.

I use FE2b as a pseudo Farman (and pseudo Voisin, and pseudo Caudron, and pseudo every other two seat pusher) - east and west front. I will create a Russian skin for the FE2b so it at least has the correct roundels.
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#51 1PL-Husar

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 22:33

I see and it is reasonable, it would be nice to have some two seater for RU side, not just Iyla, smaller one like SPAD A2, Farman F-40 etc.

I use FE2b as a pseudo Farman (and pseudo Voisin, and pseudo Caudron, and pseudo every other two seat pusher) - east and west front. I will create a Russian skin for the FE2b so it at least has the correct roundels.

Hehe Yes I see… good that we have this pusher ;)
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#52 Hasso_vonWedel

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 02:43

So…here we go….I will post some datas about units, hopefully they will fit nicely into boxes as it was ment on Word document….

Mostly they are based on info from the books that I own, hopefully you will be able to locate units stationment from their plane radius and casualties…

I hope @Trupobaw can go thru places, while its hard for me to search thru cyrillic writen maps….

When Italian front will be there, I will provide precise datas with maps, while I live there and those maps will be easier to get…..

For more detailed data about those written below….allways feel free to PM me…..

VBR
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#53 Hasso_vonWedel

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 02:44

AH
MEDALS : http://www.theaerodr...trhun/index.php
Flik 1
1 ) WINS : Dubowicze, Tluste, Sokal, Chotin, Iszkowzy, Bojan, Lysskowzy, Dolcok, Solka
2 ) LOSSES : Balin, Kamienetz, Grubeshow, Krolik Wolowski, Przemysl, Brzhezhany
2a) BAG1
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....n_von_Brumowski
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Otto_Jindra
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Kurt_Gruber
http://en.wikipedia..../Károly_Kaszala
Flik 3
1 ) WINS : Radziwilow, Kremenietz, Ostapie, Nowo-Poczajew, Brody, Boratin, Iwanczony, Starobrodzkie
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....Szepessy-Sokoll
4) PLANES : Albatros D.II : 53.05, 53.11
Albatros D.III : 53.46, 53.48
Flik 5
1 ) WINS : Rowno, Lesznikow, Radziwilow
2 ) LOSSES : Hotin
2a) KAO20
Flik 7
1 ) WINS : Lysiec, Radziwillow, Bohorodzany, Koteleu
2 ) LOSSES : Bohorodzany
2a) IAO7
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....i/Roman_Schmidt
4) PLANES : Albatros D.II : 53.16
Flik 8
1 ) WINS : Zbaracz
Flik 9
1 ) WINS : Husiatyn, Litiatyn, Ceniow, Dubcze, Podhaitze, Budylowka, Kuropatniki, Topielnica, Sloboda Zielona
2 ) LOSSES : Petlikowcze, Lipitsa, Kozowa
2a) IAO7, KAO4
Flik 10
1 ) WINS : Korytno, Stepan, Satijew, Rowno, Ostrozec, Olyka, Szelwow, Czarukow
2 ) LOSSES : Lutsk
2a) KAO19
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Otto_Jäger
http://en.wikipedia....Urban_(aviator)
Flik 11
1 ) WINS : Zolkiew, Tluste, Stanislau, Konkolniki
2 ) LOSSES : Boshowcze, Shibalin
2a) IAO7, KAO4
Flik 13
1 ) WINS : Razbita, Juridica
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....i/Roman_Schmidt
Flik 14
1 ) WINS : Gologory, Rudnia, Porkazy, Batkow, Boldury, Leszniow, Brody-Beresteczko, Batkow, Folwarka, Dytkowcze, Ponikowien, Bezodnia
2 ) LOSSES : Brezhezhan
2a) IAO7
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....iki/Julius_Busa
4) PLANES : Albatros D.II : 53.03
Flik 15
1 ) WINS : Miechow
Flik 18
1 ) WINS : Siolko, Moldowanka
2 ) LOSSES : Brezhezhan, Tarnopol
2a) BAG2
Flik 20
1 ) WINS : Klewan, Olyka, Lutsk, Japolot, Gorodetz, Torczyn, Budki, Tzarukow, Litwa, Sadowo, Torczyn
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....iki/Kurt_Nachod
Flik 22
1 ) WINS : Radziwillow
4) PLANES : Albatros D.II : 53.08
Albatros D.III : 53.47, 53.62
Flik 25
1 ) WINS : Zbaracz, Tarnopol, Wiktorowka, Augustowka, Koniuchy, Jazierna
2 ) LOSSES : Olesina, Podgaitze
2a) KAO19, BAG1
4) PLANES : Albatros D.II : 53.05, 53.11
Albatros D.III : 53.46
Flik 26
1 ) WINS : Obertyn, Zukocin, Dubowicze, Niedobantzy
Flik 27
1 ) WINS : Brzhezhany, Aleksinietz
2 ) LOSSES : Zbaracz,
2a) IAO7,
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Otto_Jäger
4) PLANES : Albatros D.III : 53.46, 53.47
Flik 29
1 ) WINS : Kolomea, Kalusz, Horodenka, Monasterzyska
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....reas_Dombrowski
PLANES : Albatros D.III : 53.22, 53.24
Flik 30
1 ) WINS : Nadworna, Blotek, Mikuliczyn, Kosow, Sniatyn, Tereblestie
PLANES : Albatros D.III : 53.20,
Flik 37
1 ) WINS : Kryczka, Radcza, Nowoselitze
4) PLANES : Albatros D.II : 53.06
Flik 40
1 ) WINS : Keschwana, Radautz
PLANES : Albatros D.III : 153.13,
Flik 43
1 ) WINS : Hulewiczy, Holoby

Data : http://www.theaerodr...read.php?t=3128" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theaerodr...read.php?t=3128


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#54 Hasso_vonWedel

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 02:45

RUS
http://www.theaerodr...ussia/index.php
Note: prefix sub- originaly equals pod- in russian language……sub = pod
Mostly known pilots are noted with following ranks :
Polkovnik-Podpolkovnik-Kapitan-ShtabsKapitan-Poruchik-Podporuchik-Praporshchik-StarshijUnteroficer ( Podpraporshchik )
Polkovnik-Podpolkovnik-Rotmistr-ShtabsRotmistr-Horunzhy-Podhorunzhy-Kornet-Esaul
Cavalry :
Kapitan = Rotmistr
ShtabsKapitan ( anomaly, like sub-Captain ) = Shtabs-Rotmistr
BAG 1
1 ) WINS : Brzhezhany, Sarniki, Podgaizy, Kozova, Konjukhi, Stavetin, Obertin, Dolinjani, Ivane-Pusto, Lapkovci, Scalat
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....exander_Kazakov
4) PLANES

BAG 2
1 ) WINS : Brzhezham, Tarnopol
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia..../Yevgraf_Kruten
4) PLANES

IAO 1
1 ) WINS : Budslav, Minsk, Riga, Iskul, Gusyatin, Kamenetz-Podolsky
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES : Vakulovskiy…no wiki link…..
4) PLANES
IAO 2
1 ) WINS : Svojatich, Nesvich, Smolno
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia..../Yevgraf_Kruten
4) PLANES
IAO 4
1 ) WINS : Brailowa
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES :
4) PLANES

IAO 7
1 ) WINS : Petlikowcze, Podgajtzi, Zlota-Lipca, Svistelniki, Bogorodchani, Boshovce, Prjisup, Brzhezhani, Posuhov, Tarnopol, Gusyatin, Zbrizh, Gorodok, Koziarki,
2 ) LOSSES : Korosetin
2a)
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....Orlov_(aviator)
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Yury_Gilsher
http://www.wikipeeti...asili_Ianchenko
http://www.wikipeeti...g/Donat_Makenok
4) PLANES

IAO 8
1 ) WINS : Lutsk
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES : http://www.wikipeetia.org/Eduard_Pulpe
4) PLANES

IAO12
1 ) WINS : Lida
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES :
4) PLANES

KAO 1
1 ) WINS : Zalesie
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES : Tomson, Zverev…no wiki links….
4) PLANES

KAO 2
1 ) WINS : Gusyatin
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES :
4) PLANES

KAO 4
1 ) WINS : Gusov, Rozhice, Lutsk, Uvse, Shibalin, Kozova
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....Nikolay_Kokorin
4) PLANES

KAO 7
1 ) WINS : Poznanka, Brodi
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES :
4) PLANES

KAO 12
1 ) WINS : Tarnopol
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES :
4) PLANES

KAO 19
1 ) WINS : Lutsk, Olesina, Zavaluv, Brzezaniy, Shebalin, Sarniki, Tsemenitzi, Melnitsy, Gusyatin, Balin, Zelyonaya, Letovo, Scalat
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES :
4) PLANES

KAO 20
1 ) WINS : Hotin
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES :
4) PLANES

KAO 24
1 ) WINS : Stvolovich
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES :
4) PLANES
Data : http://www.zinnfigur...sort=1d&ID=1402" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.zinnfigur.../product_info.p … 1d&ID=1402


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#55 Hasso_vonWedel

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 02:47

FRA
Escadrille 581 & 582
581
1 ) WINS : Chilevev, Malintsie, Zaletsie, Volochyst
2 ) LOSSES :
2a)
3 ) ACES : http://en.wikipedia....eorges_Lachmann" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....eorges_Lachmann
and Couduret Louis…no wiki
4) PLANES
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#56 Hasso_vonWedel

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 02:47

GER
Jasta OberOst….Jasta 81
Kasta 7…..Jelizarow,
Ther was a major renaming of units at end 1916 and beggining 1917, I will note rename in brackets, following by places of known casualties :

FFA4 ( FA4 )…......................................Kowno, Weselowo, Kowel,
FFA 8 ( FA 8 )
FFA 14 ( FA 14 ) ….to ITA from ?
FFA 15 ( FA 15 )…................................Jelowka
FFA 16 ( FA 16 )
FFA 17 ( FA 17 ) ….to ITA from ?
FFA 21 ( FA 21 )
FFA 28 ( FA 28 ) ….to SRB from ?
FFA 30 ( FA 30 ) ….to SRB from ?
FFA 31 ( FA 31 )…...............................Derewiantitze
FFA 35 ( FA 35 )…...............................Krawerpol, Kosawerpol,
FFA 36 ( FA 36 )…to ROM…?
FFA 37 ( FA 37 )
FFA 43 ( FA 43 )
FFA 45 ( FA 1 )…..................................Bogdanowka, Krewo
FFA 46 ( FA 2 ) ….to ITA from ?….........Nikolaiew, Kowel,
FFA 47 ( FA 6 )
FFA 48 ( FA 10 ) …to ROM…?
FFA 50 ( FA 19 )
FFA 51 ( FA 20 ) ….to SRB from ?
FFA 52 ( FA 22 ) ….to SRB from ?…......Riga, Kekkau,
FFA 54 ( FA 24 )…..................................Iwane-Pusto, Podgajtzi,
FFA 55 ( FA 25 )…..................................Zalesye, Wiltzika, Dogessi,
FFA 56 ( FA 26 )…..................................Molodetschno
FFA 57 ( FAA 256 ) …to ROM…?
FFA 58 ( FAA 284 )
FFA 59 ( FAA 269 )
FFA 60 ( FAA 275 )
FFA62 ( FA 27 )…...................................Sokal, Gorochow
FFA 63 ( FA 29 )..................................…Stavetin, Lipitsa,
FFA 64 ( FA 32 )
FFA 66 ( FA 34 ) …to ROM…?…............Kalnkowa,
FFA 69 ( FA 38 ) …to ROM…?

from 03 Jan 1916 :
FFA 72 ( FAA 285 )…..............................Oginski,
AFA 218 ( FAA 218 )…............................Baranowitschi,
AFA 220 ( FAA 220 )…............................Zawalowa,

from 01 Mar 1916
AFA 219 ( FAA 219 )…............................Lintupi,
AFA 224 ( FAA 224 ) = Kowel,

from 14 Mar 1916
AFA 229 ( FAA 229 )
AFA 230 ( FAA 230 )…............................Jaziwna

from 31 Oct 1916
FAA 267 ….to SRB from ?

from 29 Nov 1916
FAA232…...............................................Volochist

from 10 Jan 1917
FAA214

et end of 1916….proly at creation…not sure about those below :
FA 47 …to FRA…?….............................Wolotschisk,
FAA 214…to FRA…?…..........................Krainowitchi, Pinsk,
FAA215…to FRA…?...........................…Wilki,
FAA236…to FRA…?
FAA 240…to FRA…?…Gusiatin
FAA266
FAA267

Unit FAA242 is originaly located on ROM front, but is taking casualties over Russian territory…..

The only data about those units available from http://www.book-info...902304-33-0.htm


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#57 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 11:25

Wow vonWedelHasso, that's lot of data :S!:!

^copy ^paste ekhm…

I've been reading about Russian aces trying to figure out precedence of awards and rules governing awarding medals and orders… there seem to be few hard and fast rules. Most of decorations seem to be awarded on "contribution to war effort"- or as I call it, notoriety. Victories were so rare that an NCO scoring a victory was promoted to most junior officer class! I don't know how adaptable is PWCGs logs parser, but there are many situations that let pilots gain notoriety other than scoring victories which can be extracted from mission logs.

Russian pilots shouldn't be awarded more often than once per month (processing of promotions and "higher" decorations could take up to four month from the deed that earned it).

-Enlisted and NCO awards:

The Cross of St George, class 4(highest) to 1 (lowest).
http://en.wikipedia....s_of_St._George" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....s_of_St._George

Comparable to Iron Cross or Croix de Guerre, it was originally awarded only to non-officers for heroism or service record. From some moment in 1917 it was awarded to most Junior officers, too.


Awards for "service record":
Completing multiple (5?) recon / bombing missions in one month. One future ace won all four classes of Cross of St. George just by intensive recon flying during four months.
Engaging in multiple air fights (at least one participant is hit by gunfire from other) in one month.
Administrative work
ANy combination of above in one month.

Awards for individual acts of heroism :
-Driving away enemy plane (forcing AI to drop bombs / RTB)
-Landing behind the lines to deliver orders
-Repelling major air raid
-Nursing damaged plane to friendly lines with one occupant wounded
-Detecting enemy surprise attack via recon
-Scoring a victory (not first one, see below)



Promotion to Praposhchnik (Junior (reserve?) office rank).
Every NCO pilot I saw that scored a confirmed victory was promoted to Praposhchnik. The promotion sometimes took few months, in meantime he was field-promoted to most senior NCO rank. He would receive furhter classes of Georgian Cross for subsequent victories until promotion is confirmed.

NCO pilots who awarded Cross of St George class 4,3 and 2 for acts of individual heroism were given promotion to Praposhchnik along with 2nd class of the cross.
NCO pilots who got awarded all four classes of Cross of St George were promoted to Praposhchnik along with 1st class of the cross.
It was rare for such pilot to rise above rank of Praposhchnik or command a BAG (they did command AOIs, though).

-Officers awards:

Golden sword for bravery:
http://en.wikipedia....ord_for_Bravery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....ord_for_Bravery

An military order which is listed on Wikipedia as a cermonial weapon. Reffered to as St George Sword from 1913? It was abolished in 1917 (no awards after February revolution, I believe), or renamed ot Order of Army and Navy (no awards under this name). All aviation awards were given for the same deed:

-scoring first confirmed victory as an officer before 1st March 1917. Pilots who started career as officers or who got promoted to Praposhchnik without a victory, via Georgian Cross awards, qualify. Pilots who got promoted to Praposhchnik by scoring a confirmed victory as NCO do NOT qualify (they got out-of-sequence promotion instead).


Order of St. George, 4th Class

http://en.wikipedia....r_of_St._George" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....r_of_St._George

Another bravery award not to be confused with *Cross* of St. George, this is the lowest class of Russian highest purely military order, and only one awarded to aviators I've read of. It was awarded almost exclusively to high scoring aces who already had multiple decorations for notriety, and it was always awarded for scoring a victory. The number of victories varies (2-4 for highly decorated heroes up to 8-9). The rule of thumb for historical pilots seems to be, the total sum of pilots victories and awards for notoriety should be ten or more. Pilots continue to get awards for notoriety after they get Order of St. George.


Notoriety awards:

The criteria on which Russian Orders of Knighthood were awarded are as unclear as for Cross of St. George. There was an order of seniority among them, but as each order was awarder separately, there is no sequence in which they normally were awarded, pilots sometimes received senior orderlike St. Vladimir before junior one like St. Anna (but they never got junior class of order if they laready had a senior one). The most common order is:

-Order of St. Anna, 4th class (lowest)
-Order of St. Anna, 3rd Class,
http://en.wikipedia....der_of_St._Anna" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....der_of_St._Anna
-Order of St Stanislav, 3rd Class,
http://en.wikipedia....int_Stanislaus_(Imperial_House_of_Romanov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Order_of_S … of_Romanov)
-Order of St Vladimir, 4th Class (highest)
http://en.wikipedia....of_St._Vladimir" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....of_St._Vladimir

Although place of order of St. Stanislav is disputable at least. The order badges had added sword(s) to indicate award for military service, insciption "for bravery" if awarded for heroic act, depending on the order type.

Awards for service record included:
-Flying many sorties in the month;
-Engaging in aerial combat multiple times
-Organizing and leading a succesful BAG (St Vladimir, could be awarded if player rises to command of BAG with many succesful Ai pilots?).

Awards for heroism included:
-scoring a victory
-Driving away an enemy plane.


The awards of Russian Knighthood orders was more whimical than of Cross of St. George; they should not be awarded automatically each time the pilot qualifies. One good way is to give pilot a (50%) chance of getting randomly selected order when he qualifies for award; (order of St Anna being easiest to get, pilots not receiving 4th class of St. Anna if they already got 3rd class, chances for higher orders growing with pilots heroism so underdecorated pilot with lot of notorious deed under his belt is more likely to receive Vladimir first and junior orders later). Other way is to include "breakpoints" and award pilot for every 2-3-more qualifying deeds. The first victory was usually awarded with notoriety order if pilot did not qualify for officer promotion / Golden Sword for Bravery.



NCOs promoted to Praposhchnik:

Most of such officers were promoted via Georgian Cross route, then started getting officers awards and that was it. BUT promotions for scoring 1st victory took long time (up to four months) to be accepted and issued, and in meantime the would-be officer was treated as NCO and awarded Georgian Crosses. Sometimes the award would long come after he was promoted to officer.

Also, in Summer-Autumn 1917 it was decided to give Georgian Crosses to junior officers, so some officers who already received 2nd class of cross were given the 1st class before end of the war.
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 14:13

I'm not sure how to get the full flight to release their full load. The MCU that I use is "Attack Area" which I had thought would make them drop their bombs into the designated area. If any mission builders out there have better ideas to get the full flight to release, I would appreciate the input.

I can steal mission from campaign where all bombers will drop all bombs on designated target. You could look inside and compare. What you think?
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#59 Hasso_vonWedel

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Posted 31 January 2015 - 00:55

Wow vonWedelHasso, that's lot of data :S!:!
^copy ^paste ekhm…

Sry, but I didnt understand what you ment by that….

With all due respect, but you guys are mixing AOI (Aviatsionniy Otryad Istrebitelei) = Fighter Aviation detachment,
KAO (Korpusnoi Aviatsionniy Otryad) = Corps Aviation detachment, BAG (Boevaya Aviatsionniy Gruppa) = Battle Aviation Group…..

BAG is equivalent of Jagdgeschwader, or better say Kagohl, it was composed only from leader and his adjutant with fighter planes. 3 KAOs were under BAGs command, the planes they flew are doubleseaters ( according to combat log of russian units that I have…wins and losses allways go in pair with pilot and nabliudatel = observer), so that would make KAOs equivalent of Kastas/Schustas

BAG 1 : 2 KAO, 4 KAO, 19 KAO
BAG 2 : 3 KAO, 7 KAO, 8 KAO
BAG 3 : 1 KAO, 11 KAO, 22 KAO

AOI can be seen as equivalent of Jasta and were independent

There were also AAO units ( artilery observing…)

Tho I am a history buff and sucker for tradition, I would go with simplification for decorations…..while those multiclass awards can be quite a pain in the a**, and also Russians and AHs demands are very unclear, my datas are also showing there were no progressing order of getting different classes of same medal…some RUS flyers have Anna 4 and 2, but no 3…..etc
My tip :

1 ) http://en.wikipedia..../Pour_le_Mérite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia..../Pour_le_Mérite = http://en.wikipedia....r_of_St._George" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....r_of_St._George = http://en.wikipedia....opold_(Austria)" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Order_of_L … Austria%29

2) http://en.wikipedia....of_Hohenzollern" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/House_Orde … henzollern = http://en.wikipedia....of_St._Vladimir" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....of_St._Vladimir = http://en.wikipedia...._the_Iron_Crown" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia...._the_Iron_Crown

*Hohenzollern for Prussia…gets inside equivalent in http://en.wikipedia....er_of_St._Henry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Military_O … _St._Henry ( saxony)…. http://en.wikipedia....r_of_Max_Joseph" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Military_O … Max_Joseph ( bavaria )…..

3) http://en.wikipedia....f_the_Red_Eagle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....f_the_Red_Eagle = http://en.wikipedia....der_of_St._Anna" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....der_of_St._Anna = http://en.wikipedia....ustria-Hungary)" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Military_M … Hungary%29

*Signum Laudis is awarded only to high officers, leading Fliks, its very rare, so I am putting it by side of Red Eagle ( that was sole award for MvR )

4) http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Iron_Cross" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Iron_Cross ( 1.class ) = http://en.wikipedia....int_Stanislaus_(Imperial_House_of_Romanov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Order_of_S … of_Romanov) = http://en.wikipedia....ustria-Hungary)" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Military_M … Hungary%29

5) http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Iron_Cross" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Iron_Cross ( 2.class ) = http://en.wikipedia....s_of_St._George" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....s_of_St._George = http://en.wikipedia....ustria-Hungary)" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Medal_for_ … Hungary%29

* St George Cross ( RUS ) and Tapferkeits ( AH ) are both non-officers awards….so I guess it fits the best like that….by using logic…..

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#60 Hasso_vonWedel

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Posted 31 January 2015 - 01:55

Regarding planes for units…after checking store and what we have….

GER had only one Jasta on eastern front, so sticking to history will make it very hard for fighter players….Jasta OberOst aka Jasta 81 flew Albatroses D.II and D.III

While Jastas 82-90 were formed at end of October 1918 and never operational, maybe that would made a logical solution to solve the problem of lacking fighter units….

AH had none pure fighter units ( J ), only few Albatroses D.II and D.III in deployed FliegerKompanies( will go deeper with that in next days ), twoseaters were mostly H-B C.I, few Lloyd C.II & C.III and Oeffag C.II….late 1915 also Aviatik B.I, H-B B.I, and few other outdates, that we dont have in this game…..

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Missed that at upper post…KAO 4 was formed as pure fighter group with IAo 5, 13, 14, 15 but was covering Northern Front, which makes them irrelevant for now….
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Posted 31 January 2015 - 13:45

With all due respect, but you guys are mixing AOI (Aviatsionniy Otryad Istrebitelei) = Fighter Aviation detachment,
KAO (Korpusnoi Aviatsionniy Otryad) = Corps Aviation detachment, BAG (Boevaya Aviatsionniy Gruppa) = Battle Aviation Group…..

BAG is equivalent of Jagdgeschwader, or better say Kagohl, it was composed only from leader and his adjutant with fighter planes. 3 KAOs were under BAGs command, the planes they flew are doubleseaters ( according to combat log of russian units that I have…wins and losses allways go in pair with pilot and nabliudatel = observer), so that would make KAOs equivalent of Kastas/Schustas

BAG 1 : 2 KAO, 4 KAO, 19 KAO
BAG 2 : 3 KAO, 7 KAO, 8 KAO
BAG 3 : 1 KAO, 11 KAO, 22 KAO

AOI can be seen as equivalent of Jasta and were independent

The 1st BAG was formed within Russian Army in august 1916. It comprised the 2nd, 4th and 19th KAOs, all of which already had experience in aerial combat. The detachments retained their old titles and staff,. but after becoming part of 1st BAG and being rearmed, they became AOIs."

Osprey, Russian Aces of WW1.

This is the part that must have confused me into thinking AOIs were created from KAOs by keeping number and changing the name. Also, at least one BAG (the never-formed fifth one) was to be made of AOIs.


Sry, but I didnt understand what you ment by that….
Appreciation of amount of new material you have posted, followed by pasted text about Russian decorations I have announced to be working on offline in my previous post.
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Posted 01 February 2015 - 17:39

I am doing AOI for scout units and KAO for recon units. No BAGs (just as I do not do JGs for the Germans). I have on German scout unit on the map that I refer to as an FAA. The German recon units are FAs. Austrian FliKs are both scout and recon, although the Austrians did seem to refer to "types" of FliKs - i.e. a J type is a scout unit and a D type is corps recon, etc.

In the first release there will be many, many gaps. Units won't move, there will probably be errors in the units, flight size and squadron size will be per western front (i.e. - too big).

What you will get, however, is the ability to fly the map for the right service and it offers an entry point for the Ilya Muromets. Russian and Austrian flyers will be able to continue their careers flying for an Allied service (Russians did fly for the French and British) or a German Jasta (I have no evidence that this happened) respectively.

I will also try to increase the gaps between missions. PWCG tends to produce contact, so the longer gap will emulate lesser contact.
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Posted 01 February 2015 - 17:58

Russian and Austrian flyers will be able to continue their careers flying for an Allied service (Russians did fly for the French and British) or a German Jasta (I have no evidence that this happened) respectively.

Interestingly, both Russian and Austro-Hungarian pilots were visiting Western Front in winter 1916/1917, learing the theory and practice of air combat from their allies, flying operationally in Spad escadrilles / Jastas and scoring victories. It may be good to give player option of such temporary posting in quiet months.


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Posted 02 February 2015 - 07:35

I have on German scout unit on the map that I refer to as an FAA. The German recon units are FAs.

I dont wanna pester you about your work, while in my eyes you are highly appriciated from the times, that you were doing brilliant things for RB, and when I read you joined RoF team, I was like: FINALLY ( I had some "serious discussion fights" a few years back with this community how this game sucks without proper Campaign and Career and how WW1 flying isnt FirstPersonalShooter), but……( there is allways a but, right? :oops: )

FAA means Flieger Abteilung XX( Artilerie ), so FA 242( A ) is the proper way to write it down, and I think it would be a blasfemy to use them as pure scout units. Jasta OberOst didnt really proclaimed themselves ( 1 farman and 5 balloons ), so maybe better solution would be to make it the same as for the AH…..FAs and FLIKs with some Albatros D.II and D.III detached….

I hope you wont get offended with this mild criticism…..

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I know the Christmas is bye, but will there ever be a Red Baron UI available in your PWC for RoF? :P I really miss those leather maps with the bearded Hauptmann and plane profiles and units details…..( not to mention post battle report )
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Posted 02 February 2015 - 08:27

At least some of FAs / FA(A)s had access to single seaters; IIRC Jasta Ober Ost/81 was formed by grouping single seaters and pilots from units already on the Eastern front?

vonWedelHasso, do you know what first posting of Jasta Ober Ost was? From what Iread they were formed at Brest-Litovsk in June, posted somewhere south of Eastern Front (Tarnopol area?) in July then moved north in August to assist capture of Riga. Any ideas where and what were they doing in July?
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Posted 02 February 2015 - 10:30

vonWedelHasso, do you know what first posting of Jasta Ober Ost was? From what Iread they were formed at Brest-Litovsk in June, posted somewhere south of Eastern Front (Tarnopol area?) in July then moved north in August to assist capture of Riga. Any ideas where and what were they doing in July?

15 Jun 1917-03 Jul 1917 Brest-Litowsk
04 Jul 1917-15 Aug 1917 Kniaze
16 Aug 1917-09 Sep 1917 Mitau
10 Sep 1917-24 Sep 1917 Lemberg

04 Jul 1917-16 ug 1917 4 KUK Armee
16 Aug 1917-10 Sep 1917 8 Armee
10 Sep 1917-24 Sep 1917 Armee SÜD

Data : http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/1898697477" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...e-Jasta-Pilots- … 1898697477

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 11:34

04 Jul 1917-15 Aug 1917 Kniaze

There is a village Kniaze half way between Kolomyia and Chernivtsy, on Tarnopol map, but by 4th July it was still back behind Russian lines. More likely it's this place further north… On or just beyond the nothern edge of our Tarnopol map, behind 2nd Army which in few days would carry out Central counter-oofensive :). To much coincidence :)?

https://www.google.p...5f678a440?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Knyazh … a440?hl=en
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Posted 07 February 2015 - 02:43

So…went thru massive article ( in cyrillic…) about Ilya Muromets…gathered the following data :

the name of unit : EVK = Eskadra Vozdushniy Korabley = Airship Squadron
sub-units : otrayd

HQ airfields :
- May 1915 Yablonna
May 1915- Avg 1915 Lida
Avg 1915- Jun 1916 Pskov
Jun 1916- Nov 1917 Vinnitsa………Винница

* it is noted that HQ and groups moved to new airfields in preparation to Brusilow offensive, so I put the month June for those relocations

1st Otrayd
Avg 1915- Sep 1915 Vladavia
Sep 1915- Jan 1916 Slutsk
Jan 1916- Jun 1916 Kolodievka
Jun 1916- May 1917 Mikulintse………Микулинце
May 1917- Nov 1917 Vinnitsa

2nd Otrayd
Avg 1915- Jun 1916 Zegevold
Jun 1916- May 1917 Yagelnitsa……….Ягельница
May 1917- Nov 1917 Vinnitsa

3rd Otrayd
May 1916- Jun 1916 Stankovo
Jun 1916- May 1917 Kolodievka……….Колодиевка
May 1917- Nov 1917 Vinnitsa

4th Otrayd
Jun 1916- May 1917 Bolgariyka……….Болгарийка
May 1917- Nov 1917 Vinnitsa

The February revoultion shaked things already, so all units were pulled to Vinnitsa in May 1917

To be continued with FLIKs airfields….

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04 Jul 1917-15 Aug 1917 Kniaze

There is a village Kniaze half way between Kolomyia and Chernivtsy, on Tarnopol map, but by 4th July it was still back behind Russian lines. More likely it's this place further north… On or just beyond the nothern edge of our Tarnopol map, behind 2nd Army which in few days would carry out Central counter-oofensive :). To much coincidence :)?

https://www.google.p...5f678a440?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Knyazh … a440?hl=en

I found place Kniazhe behind town Zolochiv, so the data should hold water, was on the proper side of the front…( wikimapia -> Kniazhe -> Zolochiv )

Seems like typo ( made in source book ) created a bit of confusion…
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Posted 07 February 2015 - 09:06

The "english" spellings are a mess; in case of Knyazie (an old slavic word that means "dukes" in most slavic langueages, including Polish, Russian and Ruthenian/Ukrainian)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knyaz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knyaz

there are bound to be many transliterations. I believe places were named in Polish or Ruthenian/Ukrainian (Lithuanian if we are unlucky), Poles transcribed Ruthenian names to Latin alphabet while Ukraninians kept old versions, Austrian administration used German-ish spelling based on Polish or Ukrainian version which appears in German sources, Russians transliterated Austrian names to Cyrylic or russified Ukrainian names, then Russian transliteration was transliteraded again into Latin using English phonetics, and Ukrainians kept their own versions, Ukraniniazed and transliterated Polish/Austrian names to cyrylic, then transliterated this version to English phonetics for Google maps. I match places by trying to trace back "root" Polish word (usually obvious) and look for places whose names look like derived from it.

Unfortunately many names are rather common words and appear in many places. I'll look into IM fields later (Pskov I now to be far from Tarnopol).
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Posted 07 February 2015 - 17:56

I took @Trupobaw tip for granted ( about Campaign taking place between Brusilov and Kerenski ) thats why I copied the Russian names in previous post in cyrillic as hint for EVK units to be stationed, so just before they all moved from the front to Vinnitsa ( No4 is far south covering ROM, the first 3 are around Ternopol )

Here are FLIKs airfields for May 1917

FLIK 1………………..Beszterce
FLIK 3………………..Zloczow
FLIK 5………………..Hannunin, Radziechow
FLIK 7………………..Dolina, Kalusz
FLIK 8………………..Kniaze
FLIK 9………………..Kragla, Narajow
FLIK 10………………Poryck
FLIK 11……………..Slope
FLIK 13……………..Wierzbolowce, Rohatyn
FLIK 14……………..Krasne
FLIK 18……………..Knihynicze, Rohatyn
FLIK 20……………..Zloczow
FLIK 22 …………….Niebylow
FLIK 25……………..Dunajow
FLIK 26……………..Kudlatowka
FLIK 27……………..Zloczow
FLIK 30……………..Marmaros Szigeth, Bukovina
FLIK 37……………..Rozniatow
FLIK 38……………..Akna Szlatina
FLIK 40……………..Besztercze = Bistritz
FLIK 43……………..Kowel
FLIK 47 ……………..Krasne

Source : http://www.worldcat..../oclc/430057873" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.worldcat....title/luftsiege … /430057873

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 11:24

Here are FLIKs airfields for May 1917

Here are locations. On the map , not on the map, borderline


FLIK 1.……………….Beszterce

Hungarian Beszterce is now Bistrita in Romania.

https://www.google.p...ps/place/Bistri" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Bistrița-Năsăud+County,+Romania/@47.8412784,26.7615431,8z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4749e341476b0b5b:0xb3cfa33d7298e5?hl=en

Matches other sources placing Flik 1 in Romania. South of Tarnopol map?


FLIK 3………………..Zloczow

NE from Tanropol, just on or just beyond RoF map… in or near place you placed Jasta Ober Ost.

https://www.google.p...e21006816?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Zoloch … 6816?hl=en


FLIK 5………………..Hannunin, Radziechow

Way north from Tarnopol map
https://www.google.p...bc92f9e40?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Radekh … 9e40?hl=en

FLIK 7………………..Dolina, Kalusz
On the Tarnopol map!

https://www.google.p...5bb75fae1?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Dolyna … fae1?hl=en

FLIK 8………………..Kniaze
Knyazie, again. Just north of the map?
https://www.google.p...5f678a440?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Knyazh … a440?hl=en

FLIK 9………………..Kragla, Narajow
On the map!
https://www.google.p...05f258871?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Narayi … 8871?hl=en

FLIK 10………………Poryck

Now called Pavlivka, waaaaay north of the map

https://www.google.p...dc1e41976?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Pavliv … 1976?hl=en

FLIK 11……………..Slope

Can't easily find it, maybe later.

FLIK 13……………..Wierzbolowce, Rohatyn
On the map!
https://www.google.p...a93c2905e?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Verbyl … 905e?hl=en

FLIK 14……………..Krasne
https://www.google.p...d5deb820f?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Krasne … 820f?hl=en

Just north of the map

FLIK 18……………..Knihynicze, Rohatyn

Rochatyn again

https://www.google.p...ad798f8c9?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Rohaty … f8c9?hl=en

FLIK 20……………..Zloczow
Złoczów again
https://www.google.p...e21006816?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Zoloch … 6816?hl=en


FLIK 22 …………….Niebylow

Nebyliv nowadays, well on the map…

https://www.google.p...0e3c2190e?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Nebyli … 190e?hl=en


FLIK 25……………..Dunajow
On the map I think

https://www.google.p...d4b2c7c3d?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Dunaiv … 7c3d?hl=en

FLIK 26……………..Kudlatowka
On the map

https://www.google.p...cc94cbf02?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Kudlat … bf02?hl=en

FLIK 27……………..Zloczow
Zloczow again…
https://www.google.p...e21006816?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Zoloch … 6816?hl=en

FLIK 30……………..Marmaros Szigeth, Bukovina
Today Sighetu Marmației, Romania. Just out of the map?
https://www.google.p...e/Sighetu Marma" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...e/Sighetu Marmației+435500,+Romania/@48.1126337,24.7147644,10z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4737bbab9a8fb321:0xd8dbb17f72b9d7f5?hl=en


FLIK 37……………..Rozniatow
On the map
https://www.google.p...477078690?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Rozhny … 8690?hl=en

FLIK 38……………..Akna Szlatina

Now Solotyvno, just beyond the map?

https://www.google.p...6e28a4d28?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Solotv … 4d28?hl=en


FLIK 40……………..Besztercze = Bistritz

Every second village in slavic country is called bystrzyca (fast running stream), but Besztercze is now Bistrița in Romania. Beyond our map.

https://www.google.p...ps/place/Bistri" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Bistrița,+Romania/@47.645445,25.0094046,8z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4749f7b004cf46c7:0xa78abae723b4e25c?hl=en

FLIK 43……………..Kowel

Far north of the map.
https://www.google.p...02cf8ca40?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Kovel/ … ca40?hl=en

FLIK 47 ……………..Krasne
Krasne again(?). Out of range.

https://www.google.p...d5deb820f?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.google.p...ps/place/Krasne … 820f?hl=en


Will update my map later…
7, 8 , 9, 10, 13, 18, 20, 25, 26, 27, 37, 47 || 3, 14

7,9, 13, 18, 22(!) 25 26 37 ||8 27 20 47xx 10
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Posted 08 February 2015 - 13:08

Darn, you beat me, was working on it whole night at my work……

But….check the following map : http://postimg.org/image/5oxu1yco3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://postimg.org/image/5oxu1yco3/

My version, just for check out……

FLIK 1………………..Beszterce……………………………………..out of map…………………………….Bistritza ROM, south

FLIK 3………………..Zloczow………………………………………..out of map…………………………….Zolochiv, north Peremyshlany

FLIK 5………………..Hannunin, Radziechow…………………….out of map……………………………..Radekhov, north

FLIK 7………………..Dolina, Kalusz…………………. good…………………………….Golyna (wrong spell on Rof map )

FLIK 8………………..Kniaze………………………………………..out of map??……………………………Zolochiv, north Peremyshlany

FLIK 9………………..Kragla, Narajow………………….good……………………………Naraov

FLIK 10………………Poryck……………………………………………out of map…………………………..opposite of Lutsk, north

FLIK 11……………..Slope………………………………..good…………………………Tekuchayo ( Kolomea )

FLIK 13……………..Wierzbolowce, Rohatyn………….good…………………………Rogatin

FLIK 14……………..Krasne……………………………………………out of map??……………………….Peremyshlany, north

FLIK 18……………..Knihynicze, Rohatyn……………….good……………………… Rogatin

FLIK 20……………..Zloczow………………………………………….out of map……………………………Zolochiv, north

FLIK 22 …………….Niebylow……………………………..good………………………under Kalush

FLIK 25……………..Dunajow……………………………..good………………………behind Rozgadow north

FLIK 26……………..Kudlatowka…………………………..good…………………….above Kalush

FLIK 27……………..Zloczow…………………………………………out of map…………………………….Zolochiv, north

FLIK 30……………..Marmaros Szigeth, Bukovina………………out of map…………………………….Sigethu Marmatiei ROM

FLIK 37……………..Rozniatow…………………………….good…………………….under Kalush

FLIK 38……………..Akna Szlatina……………………………………out of map…………………………..above Sigethu Marmatiei ROM

FLIK 40……………..Besztercze = Bistritz………………………….out of map…………………………….Bistritza ROM

FLIK 43……………..Kowel…………………………………………….out of map…………………………….opposite Lutsk

FLIK 47 ……………..Krasne…………………………………………..out of map??…………………………..above Zolochiv, north

*Slope is throwing me to Tekuchaya…so it could make sense ( but unconfirmed )

I found 2 additional double-name places……

Kniazhe behind Radziechov/radekhov ( also out of map )

Krasne…..under Kalush ( on the map )


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#73 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 13:41

Darn, you beat me, was working on it whole night at my work……

The more independent verification, the surer results :S!:
*Slope is throwing me to Tekuchaya…so it could make sense ( but unconfirmed )

I can't tekuchaya on google maps or wikipedia, Me, I'm thrown to Bukoviel where it shows lots of skiing slopes. For the same reason google search helps little. I suspect the name may be germanized "Slupy", which means "wooden pillars" and is rather common name (5 such villages in modern Poland). Searching this map by hand may be only option… but I believe Flik 11 was not on the map (thought the same of Flik 22, though).

http://mapire.eu/en/...49&lon=24.89001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://mapire.eu/en/...hkf_75e/?zoom=1 … n=24.89001

I found 2 additional double-name places……

Kniazhe behind Radziechov/radekhov ( also out of map )
I've found another Knyazie to the east of Kolomya, beyond Russian lines. Problem with common words as village names…

Krasne…..under Kalush ( on the map )
Right!

I'll compare the "sure" airfields with location of Army Korpses their Fliks were assigned to, to see how close they were stationed to their parent inftrantry units… if close, I'll compare double/named places with army Korps map.

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 13:55

I can't tekuchaya on google maps or wikipedia, Me, I'm thrown to Bukoviel where it shows lots of skiing slopes. For the same reason google search helps little. I suspect the name may be germanized "Slupy", which means "wooden pillars" and is rather common name (5 such villages in modern Poland). Searching this map by hand may be only option… but I believe Flik 11 was not on the map (thought the same of Flik 22, though).

http://mapire.eu/en/...49&lon=24.89001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://mapire.eu/en/...hkf_75e/?zoom=1 … n=24.89001

BTW…great map, I found it on previous pages already, forgot to praise….

On that map, between Jablonow and Kolomea is town Stopczatow, so maybe that would do the job….also if you check the wins and losses of Flik 11, that I posted before…it matches even more…..

Slope…Stope…maybe additional typo…..( checked the book, its written Slope ), tho its funny coincidence, that Wikimapia throw me there on typo basis….

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#75 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 16:08

As of Krasne (Flik 14) and Krasne (Flik 47), both Fliks were attached to 2nd A-H army, Flik 14 with XVIII Corps just north of the RoF map, matching Krasne north of Peremyshlany, and Flik 47 was attached directly to 2nd army . Kalush was far south, in area of operation of 3rd army, with whole German Army South between them. And, you have all Fliks in 3rd army area accounted for :). So Krasne in the north makes sense for these Fliks (time to find if it's on the map or really close).

I have compared your map with my "guess airfield by army corps" map

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…and must say…

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… it failed badly for 3rd Army Fliks :). Apparently Kaluch was good place to live.

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Here is a big, blank image of RoF Tarnopol map, by the way.

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Posted 12 February 2015 - 15:44

Started a campaign for the Imperial Russian Air Force:
Squadron: Escadra Vozdushnykh Korabley
Date: 01/05/1917
Type Ilya Muromets
Airfield: 25

Having troubles getting started: Bombers are stuck in the Hangars :(

Hope this helps and keep up the awesome work, Pat! :S!:

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#77 marcinguzek

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 08:19

Hello,

I am looking for information about German air-force activity in 1916 in East Front near Lida - Smargonie (Smargon) - Mołodeczno (Molodeschno)-  Baranowicze (Baranowitschi) nowadays Belarus; also Dünaburg - Narocz (Narotschsees) -  Wilejka. This was area activity German 12th Army.

http://genwiki.genea.../A.Gr._Gallwitz

 

I am especially interested in FFA56 (Feldflieger-Abteilung 56) .

http://www.frontflie...e/2-ffa056.html

https://pl.wikipedia...er-Abteilung_56

 

I have unidentified pics of airfield from East Front WWI (probably Grodno-Karolin) i.a aircraft Gotha G.I (rare)

I would be grateful for any tips

 

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