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#1 PatAWilson

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 02:19

So we have the Ilya Muromets and the Tarnapol map. What would an eastern front add on look like?

I see German and Russians.
Start time is Jan 1 1916 same as western front.
German pilots could transfer east and west.
Russian pilots could transfer to the French air force after the end of combat in the east.
Missions on the eastern front would be less frequent.
Bombing missions will be daylight.


Need:
Russian squadrons
Scout
Observation
Ilya Muromets.

German squadrons:
Jastas
Recon

For each squadron:
Squadron name
Equipment (aircraft/dates used)
Airfields used (when)
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#2 Dauntless1

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 05:06

8-)
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#3 robin100

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 15:24

Hi Pat,
I'm happy to hear you consider including the Eastern Front in PWCG. Really good news!
The Eastern Front map we have in ROF is a part of Eastern Galicia, which was a territory of Austro-Hungary in 1914. Would it be possible to make Austro-Hungarian air force available to chose for the player? I wish I knew the numbers, but my guess is that K.u.k. Luftfahrtruppen units constituted a majority of the Central Powers air force in the region. If you aren't going to add the Habsburg Empire to the game, I hope at least the Austro-Hungarian squadrons could be included among the German Jastas.

As it was a manoeuvre warfare in the East (at least when compared to the situation in the West), it's a good question if a moving frontline wouldn't be needed.
Here are the maps of the front in 1916: http://www.firstworl...nt_brusilov.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.firstworl....com/maps/graph … usilov.jpg
…and 1917: http://www.firstworl...ront1917-18.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.firstworl....com/maps/graph … 917-18.jpg
I'm afraid we may fail in finding the exact and detailed info about Russian, German and Austrian squadrons and their airfields, as the information is sparse when compared to the Western Front.
I'll look if I can find any useful info in my books.

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#4 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 15:49

Great news, Pat!
How about Austro-Hungarians?

I have just been gifted with "Russian Aces of WWI" by Osprey, I'll try to get information on scout squadrons from it. They were grouped in four wings (4 squadrons each), so there won't be much variety in their deployments.
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Posted 31 December 2014 - 11:27

I have the same Osprey book. According to it the Russian organization was the following:

AOI (Aviatsionniy Otryad Istrebitelei) = Fighter Aviation detachment
KAO (Korpusnoi Aviatsionniy Otryad) = Corps Aviation detachment
BAG (Boevaya Aviatsionniy Gruppa) = Battle Aviation Group


As mentioned before, there were four BAGs, two of which operated at least near the Tarnopol sector. 1st BAG, which was established and began operating "not far from Lutsk in the second half of August 1916", was made up of the 2nd, 4th and 19th KAOs, which were re-designated as AOIs (pp. 10). 2nd BAG was formed in April 1917 out of 3rd, 4th and 8th KAOs and supported "the XI Army on the Southwestern Front" (pp. 11). There were also separate Aviation Detachments, which included in addition to recon planes one to three scouts. These detachments supported ground forces to which they were assigned to.



The following nitpicks are from the story of Alexander Kozakov of the 4th KAO/4th AOI/1st BAG. German and Austria/Hungarian squadrons are only mentioned if a plane was encountered or shot down in or near Tarnopol map.

- 4th KAO operated in/near Lithuania in the north until August 1916, the formation of 1st BAG, so not relevant to us until 1st BAG.

- FA (Flieger Abteilung) 46 to the north of Tarnopol map, near Lutsk, in August 24th 1916, flying two-seaters.

- Flik 10 flying Hansa-Brandenburg C.I to the north of Tarnopol map, near Lutsk, in December 8th 1916.

- 1st BAG moved to Romanian Front (?) in early 1917 (February or March). "The group's new area of operation covered the region of Monastryzchesko-Podhaice-Halitch-Brzezany-Svistelniky-Kozovo" (pp. 21), which is included within the Tarnopol map.

- FA 242 in May 1917, flying two-seater.

- Flik 25 in May 1917, flying Hansa-Brandenburg C.I.

- FA 24 near Podhaice in June 1917, flying Rumpler C.Ia.

- Front line was at Lipitsa-Dolno (Lipitsa at map square A2:21) in 14 June 1917.

- FA 29 near Podhaice in June 1917, flying Rumpler.

- Flik 26 near Dolinyany flying Hansa-Brandenburg C.I in July 1917.

- 1st BAG moved to Gorodok (Horodok, 30 km west of Lviv?) in August 1917.

- Flik 24 just east of Tarnopol map in 16 August 1917 flying AGO C.IV.

- Flik 18 in/near Tarnopol map in late August 1917 flying Hansa-Brandenburg C.I.

- Activity waned by September 1917.

- Flying ceased sometime after 20 November 1917.
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#6 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 12:24

. 1st BAG, which was established and began operating "not far from Lutsk in the second half of August 1916", was made up of the 2nd, 4th and 19th KAOs, which were re-designated as AOIs (pp. 10). 2nd BAG was formed in April 1917 out of 3rd, 4th and 8th KAOs and supported "the XI Army on the Southwestern Front" (pp. 11).

I've checked it, Lutsk was further north of the EF map we have in RoF; I believe 1st BAG enters map in March 1917. But at least 8th KAO (renamed as 8th AOI at some moment) was stationed on the map from spring 1916; it stayed in the area when it became part of 2nd BAG.
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Posted 31 December 2014 - 20:02

Ok, here is my take on 1st BAG. There may be errors - the book uses Russian names for places with English transliteration, Google maps uses Ukrainian ones, and map in IM project uses something still differnet.

The BAGs (Battle aviation groups) were permanent groupings of 3 AOIs (aviation fighting detachments). There were 12 AOIs in Imperial Russian Air Service by end of 1916. Two AOIs I saw numbers on had 5 or 6 pilots each and 8 planes. If this is typical, BAG would have about 15 pilots and 20-24 planes.

The BAGs were flying recon and photo recon in their scouts and two-seaters, sometimes with one member of the flight doing the recon and others acting as escort.

The 1st BAG was created in second half of 1916 and initially operated in Lutsk area, beyond map we have in RoF.

The front stays static until July 1917:

March 1917:
24th moves into Tarnopol area to Monastyrzchesko airfield, next to Kovalyuwka. I see references to Kovalyuwka or Dobrovody airfield in next month, but I believe it's the same place. There is another Dobrovody just north of Tarnopol, outside of RoF map.

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Books says they were operating in region of Monastyrzchesko- Podhaice-Halitch-Brzezany-Svistelniky-Kozovo-Brzeżany…

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… which I believe is this part of RoF map:

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April 1917:
Mentions of Morane-Saulnier Type I being used.
Mentions of N.21 being used
still operate from Kovaluvka

Trivia
First encounters with Albatros C type (C.III) - Flieger Abteilung (Artilerie) 220
Encountered Hansa-Brandemburg C.I from Fliks 9 and 11
Encounter with Flieger Abteilung 242


May 1917:
Mention of N.17 being used
Mention of N.21 being used
Mention of Dobrovody airfield, believe it's the same place as before

Trivia
Escorted artillery plane
Encountered Fokker Eindecker
Encountered Flieger Abteilung 242
Encountered Hansa-Brandemburg C.I from Flik 25, 11 and 9


June 1917:
BAG moves(?)to airfield near Kovalyuwka, which is the same place?
Last Russian offensive launched in late June
Last mention of Morane-Saulnier Type I - M-S ace switches to N.17

Trivia
Escorted British recon belonging to "Major Valentine's detachment"
Encountered Rumplers C.Ia from Flieger Anteilungs 24 and 29
Encountered Hansa-Brandmeburg from FLik 26 and 18

July 1917
The front moves, and fast!
The Russian offensive gains impact and quickly loses it.
2nd: BAG transfers to 8th army, moves "south of Stanislav" in support of offensive. No idea where it might be.
10th: Transfers to back to Kolomeya,

18th The German counter-offensive starts if http://www.naval-his...nology_1917.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.naval-his....net/WW1Book-Wo … y_1917.htm is to be believed. The 1st BAG makes 6 relocation flights this month; first two are to Stanislav and Kolomeya, third is not named but it must be somewhere east…

24th - Stanislav and Tarnopol retaken by Central troops.

The last three relocation are to Khotin(eastern edge of RoF map, point 1 below.), Larga (well beyond RoF map, point 2.) and

31st - 1 BAG relocates to Gorodok (point 3 on the map), some 15 kilometers beyond the edge of RoF map.

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Trivia
Escorted a Farman
Albatros C encountered
H-B C.I from Flik 26 encountered

August 1917:
3rd Czernowitz (point B on July map above) is retaken by Central troops.

BAG operates in Yarmolintsy*-Proskurov*-Skala-Husyatin-Kutkovtstse* region. Skala and Husyatin are on RoF map and eastern edge is in Russian hands, but BAG patrol it from beyond the map. This was the heaviest month of fighting for BAG, likely to the Russian Air Service too.

20th: IM escort
30th: IM escort

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Trivia.
escorted IM bombers
escorted Voisin recon
Ago C.IV from Flieger Abteilung 24 encountered


September 1917:
Operate from Dunayevtsy airfield (point 4 on July map)
First SPADS appear;
Activity dies down, last victories scored

Trivia
Encountered Albatros D.X from Flieger Abteilung 24

October:
Front freezes, 1st BAG continues to fly, few hostiles met
Nieuport 23 mentioned
14th: One mention of transfer to Dunayevtsy, all other materials mention they were here whole September?

Encounters H-B C.I from Flik 9

November:
Few patrols, due to weather. 10-15 patrols peer day when weatrhe permitted.
Llyod C.V from Flik 18 encountered

December:
Ranks abolished, unit under control of soldier councils
Bolsheviks forbids operational flying.

Planes:
The BAG starts with Nieuport 11s, Nieuport 10s and Morane-Sauliers "Type I" - (Bullet with engine upgrade)?

There are no mentions of N.11 being flown after March at all, but the book concentrates on three aces out of 15+ pilots.

At least two Morane-Sauliers were flown over Tarnopol map, MS750 until April and MS740 until June.

There are two Nieuports 21 with given number, 2195 and 1810. They were flown from April on, and were actually closer to N.11 than N.17, with weak engine and overwing gun…

By April 1917 the Russian Air service had "about two dozen" of planes with synchronized guns. This included Morane monoplanes and S-16 fighters (if any survived)…

From July (May?) most if not all mentions by type are of Nieuport 17.

A "spring 1917, Kovaluvka airfield lineup of BAG1 fighters" photo shows single Morrane-Saulnier and 8 V-strut Nieuports. 2 Nieuports have clearly overwing guns, two have not, others are not clearly visible. It may be fighters or just one AOI. I'll scan it if I can.

A "September 1917" lineup shows about 22 planes, including a Nieuport 10 and SPADs.
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Posted 01 January 2015 - 00:42

7th AOI:
Independent unit, was to be part of 5th BAG that was never formed.

Created in March 1916 in Tarnopol area, equiped with three S-16s.

April 1916 - based in Khmielievka, encountered Aviatik B.II from Flik 20

By May they moved to Buchach (west of Monastyrzyska)

From July 1916 (Brusilov ofensive) engaged in air combat over Brzeżany-Hlaych-Bolshovtsy-Bochach (same area as Monastyrzchesko), from Buchach(?).

June- sorties in N.10, encounter with Aviatik B.III form Flik 27

3rd September: transfer to new arifield near Vychulki (now called Honcharika, west of Monastyrska - that was hard to find out!). First mentions of N.11 and N.21s

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February 1917 downed a two-seat Albatros near Bierieżany

March 1917 relocation to Markovtse, operates over Monasterzyska-Kałusz-Stanisław- Maidany-Bohodoczany. Met recon H-B C.I form Flik 7, near Lysiec (sw from Stanislav)

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April:sorties, including one in Morane-Saulnier Type I MS745;

May-5 pilots, 105 sorties, encounter with Oeffag C.II from Flik 25, encounter Albatros scouts and Albatros C from FF(A) 242

June- relocation to Kozova, then to Voktorivka (just NW of kozova), 146 combat flights, recon, photo recon, escort of voisin artillery spotters, bombings in N10.

The squadron had 6 pilots and 8 Nieuports in June. Futher reports mention 1 Nieuport.10, 1 Nieuport.17 (N2453), 4 Nieuports 21 (N1514, 1889, N2451, N1990) and 2 Nieuports 11 (N1232, 1679) used after June. The eight plane may be "brand new" Nieuport 23 (N2788) squadron received and lost in June, or one of planes squadron was using previously (N.21 N1872, N.11s N1302 and 1514).

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17th June, CO Orlov KIA, new N.23 N2788 lost.
23rd June - photo recon sortie,

7th July - three pilots attack eight aeroplanes attacking Tarnopol, got repelled. CO Glisher KIA, N.21 N2451 lost.
No information about squadrons retreat eastin July, but .

6th August sortie from Husyatin airfield. For some reason it's called Olhovtsy on ROF map, but lies just where google maps says Husyatin was, on the old frontline.
24th August-two sorties.

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By September, squadron has lost 4 of 5 pilots it had in May (6 it had in June) -2 dead, 1 hospitalised, one transfered away. The unit did exist until November, but nothing is known of its further operations. No images of units SPADs even if there were pilots to fly them.
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Posted 01 January 2015 - 04:59

8-)
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#10 Thaatu

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Posted 01 January 2015 - 12:18

Is there any resource for tracking those German and Austro-Hungarian squadrons? The Osprey book tells which ones were encountered and when and where, but not where they came from and usually not what they were doing.
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#11 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 01 January 2015 - 15:50

This book?

http://www.amazon.co...P40BJHA1A4WCSJ7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...stro-Hungarian- … HA1A4WCSJ7

http://www.amazon.co...garian aviation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...stro-Hungarian- … n+aviation

If no one here has it the library of our aviation museum does, but I had no working day to spare to go there (you need to make prior appointment and use it on-site). I may be able to finally do it in January. The museum peeople say there are books on this theatre, some of them they have… in Russian. Same on Ilya Muromiec. Author of Russian Aces quotes Austrian archives, so the information possibly is still there (?) or in books written in German. I can't reliably read either languaeage.

These may help, too

http://www.amazon.co...anks casualties" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...sualties-German … casualties

http://www.amazon.co...garian aviation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...r-Aces-Austro-H … n+aviation

http://www.amazon.co...garian aviation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...stro-Hungarian- … n+aviation


We can also ask on theaerodrome.

The bad news is, there are no encounters with either DFW or Roland; most of the Fliks fly Hansa-Barndemburg C.I, Feldflieger Abtailungen had C-type Albatroses. Austro-Hungarians had about 15 fighter Fliks, I doubt many of them were on Galician front.

EDIT: This looks pretty promising:
http://www.austro-hu...y.co.uk/lft.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.austro-hu...y.co.uk/lft.htm
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Posted 01 January 2015 - 19:09

I can't give you any useful info whatsoever, I just wanted to let you know, Pat, how grateful I am for your work. I'm really looking forward to having the Eastern front in PWCG. :S!:
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Posted 02 January 2015 - 10:22

It's a pity that neither of these books http://www.amazon.co...garian aviation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...r-Aces-Austro-H … n+aviation and
http://www.amazon.co...garian aviation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...stro-Hungarian- … n+aviation contain any structured information related to the squadrons and their airbases.
Martin O'Connor's book on more than 300 pages includes only life stories of the Austro-Hungarian aces, with no general overview of the air warfare on the Eastern Front. So only some more or less random information can be found in the stories of those particular pilots who fought also in the East. Additionally, and that might be useful to some extent, the book contains an appendix with all the aces victories with additional information when available (e.g. date, unit, aircraft flown, place, enemy aircraft).
The other book, published by Osprey http://www.amazon.co...garian aviation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...stro-Hungarian- … n+aviation is done in similar way (aces stories), and although it does contain a short overview of the course of the war on the Eastern Front, it's focused on land warfare rather with very little useful information about fighting in the air. Again, no structured data about air force squadrons and their bases.

OK, and now some good news (hopefully)!
There's a book which looks very promising, and I hope there's someone from Hungary on the forum to help us: "A császári és királyi légierő" (The Imperial and Royal Aviation Troops) by Csonkaréti Károly http://www.sailingbo...lyi_legiero_190" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.sailingbo...hu/dr_csonkaret … egiero_190
Please note, that the entry about K.u.K. Luftfahrtruppen in Hungarian wikipedia is much more detailed than those in other languages, and the list of Austro-Hungarian air force squadrons is based just on the book mentioned above.
http://hu.wikipedia....Királyi_Légierő" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://hu.wikipedia.....org/wiki/Csász … gier%C5%91
The wiki article contains a list of all the K.u.k squadrons, where "repülőszázad" is Flik, "Orosz front" means Russian Front, "allomáshelye" is squadron location, and "parancsnoka" is squadron's commander
Moreover, some of the squadrons have their own wikipedia entry with further (if rather laconic) information, like http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flik_3J" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flik_3J
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Posted 02 January 2015 - 11:45

Oh, so many consonants. Should be useful though, when interpreted correctly.



Six Austro-Hungarian aces registered victories in or near our specified area:

Otto Jäger & Karl Urban

Shot down at least three Farmans while crewing an Albatros B.II (without a machine gun?). A fourth victory came while flying either the same plane or a Hansa-Brandenburg C.I. Otto Jäger scored his second victory with another pilot. Before moving to the Italian front, Jäger also shot down two-seater on July 20th 1917 while flying an Albatros D.III, which is the only Austro-Hungarian scout victory in the area recorded in the ace lists. Later, Karl Urban also scored many victories and losses while playing Judge Dredd in a movie I wish not to see.


Roman Schmidt

Shot down a Nieuport scout on April 13th 1917 while serving as an observer on a Hansa-Brandenburg C.I.


Rudolf Weber

Shot down a Voisin on June 12th 1916 while serving as an observer on a Hansa-Brandenburg C.I.


Julius Busa

Shot down three EA while piloting a Hansa-Brandenburg C.I, on the same day according to the list.


Kurt Nachod

Shot down five planes near Lutsk, just to the north of our area, while serving as an observer.




What is clear from these is that the Austro-Hungarian activity should be almost completely manifested by two-seaters. All the Albatros D-series victories and losses recorded in the lists are from late 1917. At least very few were shot down by pilots. This doesn't mean German D-type squadrons weren't there. They may have just been too disciplined not to get caught by enemy scouts while preying on Russian two-seaters. The German aces who scored victories in our area are a little bit harder to identify.

Only three Russian aces shot down a total of four scouts in or near the area. Vasili Yanchenko shot down two Albatros D.IIIs, one in September and one in October 1917. Ivan Smirnov shot down a scout in October and Grigory Suk shot down a scout in November. So this suggests Albatros D-types should be extremely rare and also late comers compared to the Western Front. If not, the German victory lists should clarify this.
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Posted 02 January 2015 - 19:12

Here's some information I've been able to gather from 'Air Aces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire' by Martin O'Connor.
There's a lot of problems with disorted geographical names. The author seems to use the names exactly as they were put into the combat reports 100 years ago, and today many of those places are hardly identifiable. Some of the villages simply don't exist anymore destroyed during the the Volhynia genocide in 1943, and the names of many other were changed. I've been able to indentify a few, I use Polish/English (according to the Google Maps) names. The "??" mark means I've been not able to identify the location and it's written exactly as in the book.

Anyway, here's what I have, hope it will be useful in any way. I'm aware how scanty this information is.

THE AIR VICTORIES OF THE AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN ACES ON THE EASTERN FRONT

GODWIN BRUMOWSKI
12/04/1916 - Flik 1, Albatros B.I - "Iszkowcy" ??, N of Chocim/Khotyn - Morane Saulnier Parasol
12/04/1916 - Flik 1, Albatros B.I - W of Chocim/Khotyn - Morane Saulnier Parasol

KURT GRUBER
14/04/1916 - Flik 1, Albatros B.I (pilot) - Bojany/Boyany - Morane Saulnier Parasol
02/05/1916 - Flik 1, Albatros B.I - Liczkowce/Lychkivtsi - Morane Saulnier Parasol
06/06/1916 - Flik 1, Albatros B.I - "Dolcok" ??, possibly Dołczok E of Czerniowce/Chernivtsi - Morane Saulnier Parasol

OTTO JINDRA
27/08/1915 - Flik 1, Albatros B.I - Czortków/Chortkiv - Morane Saulnier Parasol
29/03/1916 - Flik 1, Albatros B.I - "Sokal" ??, E of Chocim/Khotyn - Morane Saulnier Parasol
09/04/1916 - Flik 1, Albatros B.I - SE of Kamieniec Podolski/Kamianets-Podilskyi - Russian biplane
12/04/1916 - two victories with Godwin Brumowski flying as observer, listed above
26/09/1916 - Flik 1, Hansa-Brandenburg C.I - Solka/Solca S of Czerniowce/Chernivtsi - French Nieuport biplane

OTTO JÄGER
Jäger has been credited with 6 victories on the Eastern Front. He achieved five victories between 05.05.1916 and 07.06.1916 while flying (as observator) Alabatros B.I in Flik 10. The squadron must have then operated some 100-150 to the north of our map area, as the locations of Jäger's victories are the villages of Stepań, Szelwów, Chorłupy, located in Volhynia, towns of Łuck/Lutsk and Równe/Rivne region.
But his 6th victory is:
20/07/1917 - Flik 27, Albatros D.III - Wybudów/Vybudiv, some 20km east of Tarnopol/Ternopil - Russian 2-seater biplane. First Jäger's victory as a pilot.

KARL KASZALA
Credited with 3 victories on the Eastern Front. Flying (as pilot) Hansa Brandenburg C.I in Flik 1. He achieved his victories between 13/12/1916 and 23/01/1917, all in the area south to our map, in today's Romania and Moldova, at least some 200 km from Tarnopol/Ternopil, where Flik 1 must have been relocated in winter 1916/1917.

ANDREAS DOMBROWSKI
17/08/1916 - Flik 29, Hansa Brandenburg C.I - location of the fight unknown, but Flik 29 stationed then in Stanisławów/Stanislau - the victim was a Voisin two-seater.

ROMAN SCHMIDT
13/04/1917 - Flik 7, Hansa Brandenburg C.I - Bohorodczany/Bohorodchany - Nieuport fighter
08/09/1917 - Flik 13, Oeffag C.II - Rozbita Mogiła (literally: Destroyed Tomb) in No Man's Land , likely the name a certain spot on the frontline - Nieuport fighter
04/10/17 - Flik 13, Lloyd C.V - Juridica ?? (possibly: Jurydyka, in the past a common village name in Poland) behind enemy lines - Sopwith fighter
From the sparse data available it's hard to say where exactly Flik 13 was stationed.

RUDOLF WEBER
12/06/1916 - Flik 25, Hansa Brandenburg C.I - Zbaraż/Zbarazh - Voisin 2-seater

JULIUS BUSA
23/06/1916 - Flik 14, Lloyd C.II - Rudnia (Russian airfield) in Volhynia, N of our map, 80 km N of Tarnopol/Ternopil - 2 Russian biplanes
23/11/1916 - Flik 14, Hansa Brandenburg C.I - a long range reconnaissance flight in area of Brody and Beresteczko/Berestechko in Volhynia, N of our map, ca. 80 km N of Tarnopol/Ternopil - 3 Russian aircraft

KURT NACHOD
Credited with 5 victories on the Eastern Front between 31/05/1916 and 07/01/1917. Nachod was flying Albatros B.I and Hansa Brandenburg C.I in Flik 20. All victories in Volhynia in Łuck/Lutsk area, N of our map, some 130 km N of Tarnopol/Ternopil.

RUDOLF SZEPESSY-SOKOLL
20/09/17 - Flik 3, Albatros D.II - Kadłubisko/Luchkivtsi (60 km NE of Tarnopol/Ternopil) - Nieuport 2-seater
04/10/1917 - Flik 3, Albatros D.III - Iwanczany/Ivanchany (20 km N of Tarnopol/Ternopil) - observation balloon
Additional info: in April 1917 Szepessy-Sokol was assigned to Flik 10 stationed in Poruzk (??) on Eastern Front. In the middle of August 1917 he was assigned to Flik 27 stationed in Dunajów/Dunaiv

KARL URBAN
05/05/1916 - Flik 10, Albatros B.I (observator: Otto Jäger, see above) - Kolonia Nowiny, possibly near Ludwipol/Sosnowe in Volhynia (there were several villages named Nowiny in Volhynia), N of our map, some 150 km NW of Tarnopol/Ternopil - "Large battleplane", possibly Sikorsky
The other 3 victories, all in Flik 10 flying Albatros B.I, also in Volhynia, in the area of Łuck/Lutsk and Równe/Rivne, some 140 km N of Tarnopol/Ternopil.
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Posted 02 January 2015 - 20:28

This page (in Czech, but can be read with google translator) has some information on each Flik, and maps of frontlines.

http://www.vrtulnik.cz/ww2/flik_1.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vrtulnik.cz/ww2/flik_1.htm

Most of KuK aces worth a biographic note were fighting on Italian front. Exception are the Flik 1 aces, but their victories happened before any of planes we have in RoF were operational on Eastern Front… and Flik 1 later went to Romanian part of Eastern front.

Good news is, the two-seater Fliks sometimes had 1-2 single-seaters attached as escorts.

Flik 27 -( unit of Otto Jager encountered by Russian flyers in Tarnopol area as early as VI 1916 was stationed at Zlochiv (north of Bieżany, NE of Tarnopol - either in north of map we have or just beyond the edge). And was operating Albatros D.III in July 1917.

https://translate.go...ww2/flik_27.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://translate.google.com/translate? … lik_27.htm

Flik 26 - encountered by Russians in VI.1917 and VII.1917 flying Hansa-Brandemburgs.
Two known fields on our map are Horodenka (before Brusilov ofensive?) and Zastavna (after collapse of Kierneski offensive). Both behind Russian lines in V.1917, so they had another field to the west.
17th June, 1917 they received Albatros D.II for escort.
in October 1917-redeployed to Italian fornt

https://translate.go...ww2/flik_26.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://translate.google.com/translate? … lik_26.htm

Flik 25 - encountered by Russians in V.1917 (H-B C.I and Oeffag C.II),
operated from Ozerny before Brusilov offensive, Dunaiv NNE of Bierieżany (on/just beyond the map).
Employed an D.II and an D.III for escort purposes since May. On 26th June it's Albatros scored first Central single-seater victory on Eastern Fornt (?).

Flik 7 operated from Orăşeni Bukovina today Martinis in northern Romania and appeared made it to south of the map (Stanislav). Were encountered by Russians.


FA(A)220-encountered by Russian flyers, had access to single-seaters

http://en.wikipedia...._Martin_Pippart" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia...._Martin_Pippart
http://theaerodrome....read.php?t=8431" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://theaerodrome....read.php?t=8431



Finally, there was a Prussian Jasta (I believe 2nd and 3rd armies were opposite Tarnopol and Stanislau; page with Flik list I linked ot earlier says Fliks in the area were assigned to these two armies.)

Jagdflieger Ober-Ost was formed in Brest-Litovsk on 15 June. It began operations from an airfield behind the Austro-Hungarian 2nd Army in eastern Galicia (!) on 4 July 1917. It moved north to support the 8th Army in the Baltic in mid-August.

This unit is easily googlable (under its later designation Jasta 81). Jagdflieger Ober Ost was equipped with Albatroses D.III and did not score any victories until it moved north.

http://www.cgsc.edu/...ger/914GHZA.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.cgsc.edu/...ger/914GHZA.pdf


Other Fliks and FFAs are known ot be in area, but no useful details about them.
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Posted 02 January 2015 - 20:37

Broken to two post to better separate subjects: this is the book that virtually every source on Austro-Hungarians I saw references :).
http://www.amazon.co...r/dp/1898697566" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...ove-War-Fronts- … 1898697566

Some maps of front movements, airfields and Austrian armies original dispositions.

http://www.vrtulnik.cz/ww8/mapicka.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vrtulnik.cz/ww8/mapicka.jpg

http://www.vrtulnik....w8/helo6606.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vrtulnik....w8/helo6606.jpg

http://www.vrtulnik....w6/helo6101.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vrtulnik....w6/helo6101.jpg

http://en.wikipedia....rnFront1917.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Kerensky_O … nt1917.jpg
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Posted 03 January 2015 - 10:07

Great stuff, although difficult to collate.


To anyone confused by the multiplicity of Nieuports, N.21 is practically identical to N.11 as is N.23 to N.17. There's an account on page 32 of Russian Aces of World War 1 of a flight of one N.21 and a Morane-Saulnier I encountering two Fokker E-types as late as 22 June 1917. Of course those might be E.IVs, as they were said to have outrun the Russians, so whether E.III should be in play that late is debatable. Also it doesn't say whether the E-types were German or Austro-Hungarian.


EDIT: According to Frontbestand Germany had only one Fokker E-type in service from 30 April to 30 June. There were 17 different E-types in use on 30 December and only three on 30 February. Thus it is likely that all the anecdotal E-types in 1917 were Austro-Hungarian.
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Posted 03 January 2015 - 10:39

Flik 7
Just one encounter so far, with somewhat contradicting descriptpons from Russians and Austro-Hungarians:

Russian version: on 31st March, pilots from 7th AOI encountered a H-B C.I near Bohorodchany and Lysiec, attacking a Morane-Saulnier; they attacked, it "caught fire and crashed" in forest nead Majdanska Buda , bursting in flames. Believed bu author to be plane of Paul Hablitschek and Roman Schmidt from Flik 7. Then, 7th AoI Nieuports attacked another plane near Posech, forcing it to descend in deep spiral "streaming black smoke" and disappear behind forest west of Puste pole "Empty field" (witnessed by Russian infrantry). Believed to be plane from Flik 7 of Klefac and Szeliga.

Austro-Hungarian version: on 13th April, Hablitschek and Schmidt, escorted by Klefacs and Szeliga, were attacked by four Russian Nieuports on artillery observation flight; the escort plane downed one of Nieuports "behind the enemy lines" at Bohorodzany, then was forced to RTB because wounds of observer Szeliga. Hablitschek and Schmidt continued the mission and were attacked by two other Nieuports. One of Nieuports was forced to crash land near Bohorodzany (confirmed by A-H infrantry), the other wounded Hablitschek forcing him to crash land on field of friendly balloon company near Lesiowka.

Apparently 1) dates from Russian P.O.V are in Julian calendar, and need to be adjusted by two weeks. This explains why timetables of Kirenski offensive do not match. Will edit my post later.

2) The order in which A-H planes are attacked does not match, although other details do. The number of Nieuports involved does not match. At least one of Nieuports claimed by A-H crews (one witnessed by infrantry) had to be piloted by a "named" ace but none of them is said to have crash landed. The damage and effects of crash landings seem to be exagerrated by both sides. Flik 7 airfield that Szeliga's plane returned to was behind forest behind place named "Empty field", which was in sight of Russian infrantry. Sadly, it's not labeled on Google maps.


Another unclarity - Stanislav was in Austrian hands until Kierenski offensive in summer 1917, but front line went through Bohorodchany? Perhaps Stanislav was in salient.

Flik 7 possibly moved to Italian front in June; its Albatros D.II downed an Italian machine in September (from czech webpage, if we believe it).

http://www.theaerodr...un/schmidt3.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theaerodr...un/schmidt3.php
http://www.vrtulnik.cz/ww2/flik_7.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vrtulnik.cz/ww2/flik_7.htm

Places related to encounter that exist in Google maps. Attacks as reported from Russian P.O.V, but I believe the A-H planes should be swapped (Schmidt was attacked to the north, Szeliga to the south, both disengaged to SW in sight in Russian infrantry).

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 14:15

Movements of the front in 1916-1917 (labeled in Russian)

Brusilov offensive 1916
http://www.runivers..../b48/168278.png" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.runivers..../b48/168278.png
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http://www.runivers..../987/127451.png" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.runivers..../987/127451.png

Kerenski offensive 1917
http://www.runivers..../151/168316.png" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.runivers..../151/168316.png

Central counter-offensive
http://www.runivers..../ca4/168315.png" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.runivers..../ca4/168315.png


More timeline (battles that probably saw lots of recon and artillery spotting).
…Ivanov offensive of 1915 stabilised the front on river Strypa (east from Tarnopol), where it stood for a year.
During Brusilov offensive in June 1916 most of fighting took place at Volyn, but Russians had some success in East Galicia. During 1st battle of Brody (25-28 July) they took the city, then, in August, after battles of Zalozce and Zlota Lipa, moved the front to Styr river. In second battle of Brody 30th September Austrians stoped Russian thrust on Lviv.
The whole next year war in east Galicia was reduced to position fighting, ended only with Kierenski offensive in late June 1917. In area of our interest the heaviest fighting took place 20 June-6th July, near Biezany, Zborov and Zlotchov. After Russian assault lost momentum germano-austrian forces broke front on 19th July on Zalozce and Oleyov; by 25th July they captured Tarnopol, by 30th Russians have been pushed beyond the Zbruch.

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 17:15

Osprey Aircraft of the Aces #110
Austro-Hungarian Albatros Aces of World War 1
Paolo Varriale

[A short note related to use of Albatros fighters on the Eastern Front]

The first Albatros D IIs arrived on the Eastern Front in the summer of 1917, where they were soon joined by the D III. The aeroplanes were used in Galicia by Flik 3, 14, 20, 22, 25 and 37, and in Bukovina by Flik 7 and 26. The first victory for the new fighter in this theatre of operations was achieved on 26 June by Flik 25 pilot Kpl Rudolf Blass, who, flying Albatros D II 53.11, claimed a Russian Voisin near
Koniuchy for his first confirmed success.

On 20 July, while escorting Brandenburg C I 64.35 of Flik 27, Oblt Otto Jäger, flying D III 53.45, forced an aircraft described as a ИRussian two-seater with a red-white cockade on the fuselage’ to crash-land near Wibudow (now Vybudiv in the Ukraine). This was his first victory as a pilot and his sixth in total, as he had achieved the first five as an observer with Flik 10. For this victory Jäger was presented with the Silberne Militärverdienstmedaille mit Schwerten (Silver Military Merit Medal with Swords). Born in West Bohemia on 6 April 1890, Jäger came to aviation after being wounded three times while serving with the infantry. Deemed unfit for further service as a soldier, he transferred to the LFT instead.

Two months after Jäger’s success, a victory was claimed by 25-year-old Hungarian hussar Oblt Rudolf Szepessy-Sokoll von Negies et Reno, who was serving with Flik 3. Born into a family with a military tradition (his great-grandfather held the prestigious Militär-Maria-Theresiaorden (Military Order Of Maria Theresa), he too had initially fought on the ground during the early stages of World War 1. Awarded the Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaillen 1. Klasse (Silver Bravery Medals 1st Class) and the Bronze Military Merit Medal during this period, Szepessy-Sokoll had subsequently been accepted into Army Aviation and had flown as an observer on the Italian Front with Flik 17. One of his early missions was the 14 February 1916 air raid on Milan from Gardolo, in South Tyrol, flying with pilot Zgf Philipp Possl in Lohner B VII 17.36. On this occasion Austrian-Hungarian sources claim the shooting down of an Italian Caudron that does not match any known loss. After pilot training, Szepessy-Sokoll returned to the Russian Front and was assigned to Flik 27, later being attached to Flik 3 as a fighter pilot. On 20 September he clashed with an aeroplane described as a ИNieuport two-seater’ near Kadlubisko, west of Boratin, and shot it down in flames about two or three kilometres (one to two miles) within the Russian lines. This victory was reported in the Heerebericht one month later. The Nieuport’s crew, Mladshiy Unter-ofitser Ovseiko and Porutschik Nikolai Ivanovic Gogulinski, did not survive the crash.
Szepessy-Sokoll’s next victory (his third) was also cited in the Heerebericht. On 4 October he attacked a Russian observation balloon near Iwanczony at low altitude and set it ablaze. On this occasion his
Albatros D III, 53.45, returned to its airfield with evidence of hits by several bullets from anti-aircraft machine guns.

The pilots of Flik 37 judged the Albatros D II slow, and complained that due to its poor rate of climb they could not intercept the Russian aeroplanes that seldom crossed the lines. This restricted pilots to performing mostly escort duties for photo-reconnaissance aircraft. Nevertheless, the D II proved to be a useful training tool when it came to converting two-seater pilots onto single-seat fighters. Although there were no specialised Flik committed to this theatre, Albatros series 53.2 and 153 aircraft were employed on the Russian–Rumanian Front in makeshift fighter units.
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Posted 03 January 2015 - 23:01

Osprey Aircraft of the Aces #110
Austro-Hungarian Albatros Aces of World War 1
Paolo Varriale

[A short note related to use of Albatros fighters on the Eastern Front]

The first Albatros D IIs arrived on the Eastern Front in the summer of 1917, where they were soon joined by the D III. The aeroplanes were used in Galicia by Flik 3, 14, 20, 22, 25 and 37, and in Bukovina by Flik 7 and 26. The first victory for the new fighter in this theatre of operations was achieved on 26 June by Flik 25 pilot Kpl Rudolf Blass, who, flying Albatros D II 53.11, claimed a Russian Voisin near
Koniuchy for his first confirmed success.

I've been checking victories lists in the other (not osprey) Aces of A-H Empire book today, to try to tell which Eastern Front Fliks scored victories in Tarnopol area and which were far away. Aces from Flik 3,10,13,14 and 20 (after May 1916) scored only outside the map. The October victory of Rudolf Szepessy-Sokoll happened just north of Tarnopol, at edge of the map, but his September victory was in Luck area, far in the north. So Flik 3 arrived for the last month, and it's field might be norht of the map. Flik 27 was definetely somewhere in the area (lost a plane to 7th AOI in April 1916 and was there for Jager's July victory).

Flik 37, however, was stationed at Rozniatov, directly east from Stanislau and SE of Kalush, then moved to Zastavna, north of Chernivtsy, according to the czech site http://www.vrtulnik.cz/ww2/flik_37.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.vrtulnik.cz/ww2/flik_37.htm . Moved to Italian fromt in December. The same site says Flik 22 was attached to 3rd A-H army (operating right on our map), no airfield. Koniuchy where Flik 25 scored first victory is on the map, next to Bierieżany and Tarnopol; czech site says it was stationed in Zboriv and Ozerna, just east of Tarnopol. So at least four Albatros operators useful for PWCG.
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Posted 04 January 2015 - 03:33

First and most import are the units. Next most important is the aircraft flown by those units. Given limitations in the aircraft set we are going to do best guesses anyway. Aces are last.

I am going to do fixed front to start. The airbases are already divided into allied and central. I am just going to drive the front line between them, which will produce a fairly accurate front line based on data already compiled by 777.

Is there a map image available?
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Posted 04 January 2015 - 03:56

Is there a map image available?

This is the only one I know of.

http://www.wingwalke...r/IlMo/Map1.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.wingwalke...r/IlMo/Map1.jpg

If front is going to be static, I believe the frontline as it was between Brusilov and Kierenski offensives is the best option - it stayed that way for a year1916-1917 that saw most air fighting. Before Brusilov offensive there was little air fighting, after Kierinski offensive war ended in couple of months.

http://www.runivers..../ca4/168315.png" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.runivers..../ca4/168315.png
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Here's ActionJoe's: http://www.mediafire...OF_Tarnopol.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire.../view/tccd64wd4 … rnopol.pdf

It apparently doesn't load up, but the download should work.
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Posted 04 January 2015 - 10:33

About the Germans…


Two noteworthy German Kastas operating in the region: Kasta 1 from mid to late 1917 and Kasta 10 in August 2nd 1916.



Here's a query from 1999:
German units on Russian Front (The Aerodrome Forums)


It seems there was a single Jagdstaffel, 81 (or Jagdflieger Ober-Ost?) that operated in the region from Kniaze/Knyazhe in July 1917 until moving to Latvia in August. Also some single seat scouts seem to have been assigned to FFAs in the east.


FFAs that are mentioned as having served on the Eastern Front: FFA 1, FFA 28, FFA 31 and FFA 35. No idea about the reliability of the source.
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Posted 04 January 2015 - 13:51

FAs encountered by Russians in Tarnopol area: FA 15 (May 1916), FA 24 (June-September 1917), FA 29 (June 1917), FA(A) 242 (three encounters in May 1917, flied Albatros C); FA(A) 220(April-May 1917).

There was a fighter unit attached to FA(A) 220: http://en.wikipedia....i/Alfons_Nagler" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....i/Alfons_Nagler



The other known Russian fighter unit in the area (after 1st BAG and 7th AOI) was 2nd BAG; created in early 1st May(18th April in Julian calendar) 1917 from 3rd, ???th and 8th AOI, it was stationed near Plotychy, just north of Tarnopol, and was patroling general area of Tarnopol. Only facts covered are exploits of its commander - who died in June - and colour plates saying it was stationed in area of Bunovka (East of Tarnopol, slightly beyond the map) in autumn, and near Chernovtsy in October 1917 - looks like they retreated east with the front then redeployed south. Chernovtsy itself was in Austrian hands by then. It flew some N 17s from May, N.23 until October and SPAD in "autumn". SPADS became available in September.

They downed plane form an FA ?? on airfield Ozerna(Jezierna) just NE from Tarmopol, unit number number unspecified, in May-June 1917. But Jezierna is clearly on Russian side on map of the front?

The 32 KAO was also operating in the area, will edit them in later.

There is inconsistence in what was the third AOI in 2nd BAG. All sources I see list 1st BAG AOIs as 2nd, 4th and 19th. 7th AOI is well described as independent unit, to be included in planned 5th BAG. 2nd BAG is listed as including 3d, 8th and either 4th or 7th AOI - but 4th was in 1st Bag and 7th was not in any? I think it's best to treat BAGs as monolithic units (which they supposedly were; pilots were assigned to AOIs but BAG served as one formation).

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:06

Another promising book on Austro-Hungrians if anyone has access to it and can read it :). The preview in Google Books in full of deployment tables that can be understood without deep knowledge of German, but I saw nothing on Tarnopol area.

http://www.amazon.de...Luftfahrtruppe-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.de...Luftfahrtruppe-österreichisch-ungarischen-Heeresluftwaffe/dp/3838629140
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Posted 09 January 2015 - 22:06

A google map overlayed with scanned Austro-Hungarian maps - should be helpful in locating placed that changed names in last hundered years.

http://mapire.eu/en/...38&lon=24.75177" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://mapire.eu/en/...hkf_75e/?zoom=1 … n=24.75177

"Austro-Hungary's last war" - an Austrian book from 1930s, unfinished English translation can be found here. Volume 6 treats on last Russian offensive of 1917, volume 4 on Brusilov's offensive.

http://www.comroestu....com/StanHanna/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.comroestu....com/StanHanna/

From page 260 of volume 6 there is order of battle of "allied" (Central ;) ) troops opposing Russian 1917 offensive. Lists 27 Fliks / FAs in general area, some by name. Units in red served outside Tarnopol map.

Army group Bohm-Ermolli (19 Fliks/FAs, 13 balloon companies)

3rd Austro-Hungarian Army: 3 fliks, 3 balloon comps
XIII Corps - Flik 37, a balloon company
XXVII Corps - Flik 26, 2 balloon companies
Reserves- Flik 7

German South Army: 8 FAs/Fliks, 4 balloon companies
Staff: 2 (FAs)
XXVII Reserve Corps: 1 FAs and Flik 10, one Zeppelin detachment
XXV Reserve Corps: 1 FA, 2 balloon detachments.
A-H XXV Corps: Flik 9, balloon company
Reserves: Flik 13 and 18, 2 FAs (same as staff?).

2nd Austro-Hungarian Army (8 Fliks, 6 balloon companies)
IX Corps: Fliks 25, 27, 2 balloon companies
Sector reserve: Flik 8, 1 FA
V Corps: Flik 3, 2 balloon companies
XVIII Corps: Flik 14, balloon company

Directly under 2nd Army: Flik 20, Flik 47

Army group Linsingen (8 FAs/Fliks, 7 balloon companies)
Lipa sector: Flik 5, Flik 22, 1 FA.

A-H 4th army (3 Fliks / FAs)
X Corps, Flik 10, balloon company
4th army troops: Flik 43,FA, balloon company

Kovel sector: 1 FA attached, 2 balloon detachments

Directly under Linsingen: 1 FA

The 11th Russian army had 50 aeroplanes (most north of the map), the 7th had 70

From order of battle of Central counter-offensive in July, Zloczow sektor: 10(?) Fliks/FAs, 3 balloon comp.
German Beskig Korps - Flik 25 and 27, 2 balloon corps
German XXIII reseve corps: Flik 20
Reserves: Flik 3, FLik 8, 3 FAs, balloon comp

The offensive is described in detail, saying where each Corps operated. May edit details in.

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#30 PatAWilson

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Posted 16 January 2015 - 01:07

An FYI: I am working on it. Austrians and Russians have been added. I only have one make believe test squadron for each (on the western front) but it's a start. They have names and ranks and flags and their own panel graphics.

To do - add real squadrons or something close. IMHO don't let perfect get in the way of good. We can add some FliKs and some AOIs and make it better as we go.

Also to do is adding the Eastern Front. That is work, but we'll get there
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#31 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 16 January 2015 - 02:45

To do - add real squadrons or something close.

I just finished the squadron maps. Do you have freedom of placing the frontline, or is the mapdivided into Central / Russian zones by developers?

If you have the freedom, I propose to place front as it was in September 1916-June 1917, between Brusilov and Kierenski offensive. The first N.11 seem to appear as the front stabilised, and after it started moving it moved very fast.

Based on the map of Austrian Corps locations in post above, I came up with this summary of locations in May 1917 (warning, big map files).

Squadrons I'm sure were somewhere on the map:
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The Russian squadrons:

1st BAG entered the Tarnopol area about 6th April 1917 (24 March in Julian calendar). They remained in the same place until front started moving, so if front remains static in PWCG they can stay static, too. The location of their field is pretty much historical.

They were flying N.21s (N.11 equivalent), N.17s and Morane-Saulnier monoplanes from March. M-S dropped in June, Spad VIIs about 14th September. A Nieuport 10 two-seater until end of operations. About 18 pilots, 21 planes.

2nd BAG was formed on 1st May 1917, their location on map matches historical location pretty well. Flew N.17s/23s and Spads from mid-September. About 18 pilots, 21 planes.

7th AOI moved between few known locations. It was on the map before Brusilov offensive; after front stabilised, they were stationed in the same general area as 1st BAG's airfield. There is only one field in this general area, so I placed them both there. After 1st BAG moved in in March 1917, they moved south to field I marked for them (again, no field in their exact location, but a field in their general area). Just before front moved in June 1917 they moved to their third field (marked general area on the map, closest field is NE from there). They lost 4 of 6 members during summer and I see no mention they still operated in September. 6 pilots, 8 planes (one N.10, one or two N.17, five or six N.21s/N.11s).

Central squadrons: I have no exact airfield names, but know which Flik was attached to which army/corps, and where each corps was on the map, so i can match airfields and general areas Fliks were stationed at:

2nd Austro-Hungarian Army, 9th Corps: Flik 25, Flik 27.
The only Corps of 2nd army on the map (most of army covered front line further to the north). There is one airfield behind the front in sector assigned to 9th Corps, so I put its two Flicks there.
Flik 25: used Albatros D.II (Oef.) 53.11 and Albatros D.III (Oef.) 53.43 in addition to recon / artillery planes
Flik 27: used Albatros D.III (Oef) 53.45. Otto Jeager scored first victory in it.

German south Army:
Covered area from Konyukhi to the north to Galich to the south.
XXV Reserve German Corps (Unknown Flieger Abteilung) and XXV Austro-Hungarian Corps (Flik 9) were in the north. There is only one airfield in that sector of the front, so I placed both units there.

XXVII Reserve Corps: Unknown FAs and Flik 10 were further south. Again, I put them on field behind right front sector.

Flik 13 and 18 with two more FAs were attached to Army staff/reserve. I put them further to the west, but perhaps Flik 9 should be on that field, and these four units even further west.

No hint of Albatros scouts in these Fliks,

Austro-Hungarian 3rd army:
Further south, it had only three Fliks:
Flik 26*: placed on field behind XXVIII Corps it was assigned to, it used Albatros D.II (Oef.) 53.10 and later 53.06. since June 1917.

Flik 37: placed behind XIII Corps, it used Albatros D.II (Oef.) 53.14 since June 1917. It may in fact be Flik 47 (supposed to be in area and flying Albatros scout, not listed in A-H order of battle)

Flik 7*: Was Army reserves Flik, lost a plane not far from its airfield in area of XIII Corps, so I placed it with Flik 37. Operated Albatros D.II (Oef.) 53.16

Further south: According to "Poles in Kaisers army", book covering living conditions of frontline soldiers, in Carpath mountains there was no fighting after summer 1916; soldiers were holding their lines and openly fraternising with enemy. Weather and elements were main enemies there.

Speculation: In addition to things I'm "sure" of, this map includes things that might appear on it.
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2rd Army:
Flik 3 was positioned beyond norther edge of the map, and Flik 14 even further north. They might make it to Tarnopol area (as AI squadrons?)

Flik 3*: Operated Albatros D.II (Oef.) 53.05 and later Albatros D. III (Oef.) 53.11
Flik 14*: Operated Albatros D.II (Oef.) 53.03 and later53.07

Flik 8 was sector reserve, Flik 20 and 47 were attached to army staff. They could really be stationed anywhere behind the 2nd army, beyond the map, but I placed them on the hypotethical field behind the lines. Flik 20* Used Albatros scout(s)


German south army had four unknown Flieger abteilungens, two attached to Corps and two in army reserve. Russian pilots patrolling airspace opposing South Army had run-ins with FA24, FA 29, FA(A)220 and FA(A) 242. Were artillery Abtailungen attached to Corps and recon ones to army staff?
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#32 PatAWilson

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Posted 16 January 2015 - 03:43

Thanks Trubopaw. In a bit of reading I also saw references to the 4th and 9th AOI as Russian units, although I don't know where they would be.
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#33 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 16 January 2015 - 12:00

4th AOI was part of 1st BAG (each BAG was a merge of 3 AOIs, much like German JGs) .

9th AOI was a distinguished unit fighting over Romanian front.

I see mentions of other Russian AOIs in the area, but no airfield names until after front moved, so can't place them on the map. Russian 11th Army (Opposing A-H 2nd army) had only 50 planes (more than half of them in 2nd BAG and 7th AOI, with most of army north of the map). The 7th Army, opposing German Army South and 3rd Army, had 70 planes, 20 of them in in 1st BAG. So we have about half of Russian strength accounted for.

The future Russian ace Konstantin Vakulovsky was attabked by pair of Fokker Eindeckers on 28th June 1916, somewhere on Eastern Front, so the type was already present by then.
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Posted 19 January 2015 - 04:26

I have uploaded an Eastern Front test version to the PWCG web site. This is a test version but it does produce flyable missions for Austrians and and Russians on the Tarnopol map. There are all sorts of things that one might complain abut including units included, equipment, unit placement, front line placement, etc. The idea is to offer up a general taste of the Eastern Front, including the S22, without strictly limiting the time frame to Tarnopol. As always, I am looking for the best combination of fun and accuracy.

The front lines were established by designating German model airfields as Central, French model airfields as Allied, and drawing a line between them. It made a pretty reasonable if not 100% accurate front line.

The units included were gleaned from these posts and the limited amount that I have read.

Equipment is a best effort at using what we have to fill in for what was really there. In general, you will see types used longer on the Eastern front than the west.

Austrians pilots look awfully German at this point and Russians look awfully French. I'll work on that. I think the names are good. Russian names are Russian, Austrian names are 60% German and 40% Hungarian.

IMHO the front is more active than the real one would be. Ratio is about 2:1 recon to scout.
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#35 1PL-Husar

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 06:26

WOW thanks good man!
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#36 J2_Trupobaw

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 08:40

Is it normal that only squadrons available are Russian recon and strategic bomber (Austrians can be selected but have no squadrons yet?)

Also, this when trying to fly bombing misison in Russian recon squadron:
PWCG Error
Mon Jan 19 09:35:30 CET 2015
java.io.FileNotFoundException: E:\Games\Rise of Flight - mods\RoFCampaignTarnopol\data\input\skins\nieuport17rus.txt (Nie można odnaleźć określonego pliku)
at java.io.FileInputStream.open(Native Method)
at java.io.FileInputStream.<init>(Unknown Source)
at java.io.FileInputStream.<init>(Unknown Source)
at java.io.FileReader.<init>(Unknown Source)
at rof.campaign.plane.SkinManager.readConfiguredSkins(SkinManager.java:74)
at rof.campaign.plane.SkinManager.getInstance(SkinManager.java:39)
at rof.campaign.mission.Mission.initialize(Mission.java:125)
at rof.campaign.mission.MissionGenerator.makeSingleMission(MissionGenerator.java:103)
at rof.campaign.mission.MissionGenerator.makeMission(MissionGenerator.java:48)
at rof.campaign.gui.campaign.CampaignHomeGUI.makeMission(CampaignHomeGUI.java:346)
at rof.campaign.gui.campaign.CampaignHomeGUI.actionPerformed(CampaignHomeGUI.java:383)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton$Handler.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.setPressed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicButtonListener.mouseReleased(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.JComponent.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.retargetMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Window.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.access$400(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
at java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source)


PWCG Error
Mon Jan 19 09:35:30 CET 2015
java.lang.Exception: No squadrons near balloon
at rof.campaign.mission.flight.balloondefense.AmbientBalloonDefensePackage.getBalloonSquadron(AmbientBalloonDefensePackage.java:149)
at rof.campaign.mission.flight.balloondefense.AmbientBalloonDefensePackage.createPackage(AmbientBalloonDefensePackage.java:31)
at rof.campaign.mission.MissionBalloons.createAmbientBalloons(MissionBalloons.java:91)
at rof.campaign.mission.Mission.generate(Mission.java:195)
at rof.campaign.mission.MissionGenerator.makeSingleMission(MissionGenerator.java:106)
at rof.campaign.mission.MissionGenerator.makeMission(MissionGenerator.java:48)
at rof.campaign.gui.campaign.CampaignHomeGUI.makeMission(CampaignHomeGUI.java:346)
at rof.campaign.gui.campaign.CampaignHomeGUI.actionPerformed(CampaignHomeGUI.java:383)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton$Handler.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.setPressed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicButtonListener.mouseReleased(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.JComponent.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.retargetMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Window.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.access$400(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
at java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source)


PWCG Error
Mon Jan 19 09:35:30 CET 2015
java.lang.NullPointerException
at rof.campaign.mission.flight.bomb.BombingFlight.getMissionObjective(BombingFlight.java:295)
at rof.campaign.mission.Mission.createDescription(Mission.java:425)
at rof.campaign.mission.Mission.generate(Mission.java:203)
at rof.campaign.mission.MissionGenerator.makeSingleMission(MissionGenerator.java:106)
at rof.campaign.mission.MissionGenerator.makeMission(MissionGenerator.java:48)
at rof.campaign.gui.campaign.CampaignHomeGUI.makeMission(CampaignHomeGUI.java:346)
at rof.campaign.gui.campaign.CampaignHomeGUI.actionPerformed(CampaignHomeGUI.java:383)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton$Handler.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.setPressed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicButtonListener.mouseReleased(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.JComponent.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.retargetMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Window.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.access$400(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
at java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source)
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#37 PatAWilson

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 17:28

Thanks Trubopaw:
For the first, just create an empty text file at mods\RoFCampaignTarnopol\data\input\skins\nieuport17rus.txt

I'll work the other two.
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#38 Hasso_vonWedel

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 13:41

I will go thru my data in next days….I have RUS & AO wins and losses fixed….I still havent finished Casualties of the German Air Service ( by Grub Street ) so GER part is a bit uncleared…

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#39 1PL-Husar

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 20:25

Started new campaign in Imperial Russian Air Service (7Th AOI Airfield 39 01/03/1917).
I noticed:

Wrong nationality Cockade.
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Wrong placement of planes.
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#40 PatAWilson

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 00:47

@Husar: Yeah. airfields are always a hassle. I really can't check every one so the fact that you provided unit/date is appreciated.

@Trubopaw: thanks for the reports. I have fixes for all three issues. The always existed but the data combinations of the eastern front brought it out.
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