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#1 Vigilante

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 03:17

I have been working on this aircraft for some time but I can find no agreement on the colors used. It appears that the official colors were khaki top - grey sides and bottom, but I can find nothing to show that were delivered from Wright-Dayton in that scheme. The EGA on the fuselage was hand-painted and several different color variations have been depicted. This is what I have so far, and before I post a poll I would appreciate any feedback and info that you can share.

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COLOR REFERENCES: This source says that the USMC DH-4's served in the same coloration employed by the Army, and that battleship gray was used on DH-4B machines post-war - http://www.scribd.co...-American-D-H-4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.scribd.co...c/4662199/Aircr … ican-D-H-4


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#2 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 04:42

Looks good!

The top of the vertical stabilizer and the elevators both appear to be white in your first photograph, and the font on the rudder is very tall & thin. just thought I'd throw that out there.

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#3 Vigilante

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 19:43

I was puzzled by the white on the fin but decided that it was probably the angle (the top part is actually part of the rudder) because I've noticed the same effect on photos of USAS machines. The D-5 marking in the photo appears to be hand-drawn, so I tried reproducing it by hand myself. I do think that the "5" should be narrower to match the photo. TY!
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#4 Vigilante

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 02:29

I'm about ready to let loose of this skin; I'm waiting for delivery of a reference book to see if I can resolve the buff-or-gray issue.
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#5 Panthercules

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 02:34

I'm about ready to let loose of this skin; I'm waiting for delivery of a reference book to see if I can resolve the buff-or-gray issue.


I'll be interested in what you find out about the buff vs gray issue - while the standard DH-4s would have been buff, the US Navy was using a matte gray paint scheme on its Hanriot HD-1s and HD-2s during 1918 so I suppose they might have extended that use to some other planes flown by the Marines.
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#6 Shutter

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 03:41

Can't wait to see those skins!!
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#7 Vigilante

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 01:02

Looks like there is not going to be a definitive answer on this. What I have learned is that the Navy did issue regulations calling for the DH-4s to be painted green with gray sides. However, the Northern Bombing Group Marine contingent was experiencing a drought of aircraft in the field, so much so that they were trading Liberty engines to the British in exchange for DH-9s. About 70 American-built DH-4's were delivered, but these required work and all hands were employed in rush repair and assembly. I don't know that there would have been time for painting much but insignia, and I haven't found any convincing photos or illustrations that indicate that gray paint was actually applied to the DH-4s. To the contrary, the most persuasive illustration to me is a Russell Smith painting - Out of the Sun! - depicting the attack on a DH-4 crewed by Talbot and Robinson on October 14, 1918.

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This illustration does has a demonstrable inaccuracy, that being the red eagle on the fuselage insignia. The photograph posted above shows that the eagle color is not a match for the red roundel color; I think my brown-gold version is thus more authentic.

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So, I'm going with the buff paint, but I will include a gray version in the zip as well if I can do that. Image

Now that I've decided what to do it shouldn't take too long to make a few skins.

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http://www.dodlive.m...rds-airco-dh-4/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dodlive.m...ndex.php/2011/1 … irco-dh-4/

http://www.usni.org/...r-western-front" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.usni.org/...zines/navalhist … tern-front (Talbot & Cunningham)

https://www.mca-mari...tion-early-days" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.mca-mari...org/gazette/mar … early-days (Marine Aviation in WWI, generally)

http://en.wikipedia....n_Bombing_Group" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....n_Bombing_Group

http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/usn_e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/usn_e.htm (details orders regarding markings by date)
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#8 Panthercules

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 17:30

Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me - that way folks can pick either version they want based on their own interpretation of the reference materials.

Nice looking bird(s). Looking forward to seeing them submitted.
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#9 US103_Talbot

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 20:29

Necropost revived! I suppose you never released this wonderful skin?

 

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