ACE-OF-ACES,I'm not getting upset by anything happening in a Computergame. I'm having my fun on FC and now on Aces Falling Server,though it gets a bit sore lately but thats another story.
Well yes, if it was not fun none of us would be doing this! My point is simple, let the onezie twozie things slide and you will not get sore and thus have more fun!
There is no Teamplay setting of course ,I just meant that any kind of Teamplay is almost non existent. You don't care,but I do.
Ah, you misunderstood me! I do care about team work online! What I meant when I said "I don't care" is that I don't care if this server team play option is turned on or off, I am always team work oriented.
As for most would assist a Teammate,not in my experience. It's rather the opposite,getting crowded by the own Team is the RULE and not the Exception…
Well there is no way to prove it one way or another.. but based on my experience I see a lot of guy jumping in to help another pilot.. I guess it depends on your point of view.. For example, take three planes, two are involved in a one on one dog fight.. The third sees his team mate involved in a dog fight that is not 100% clear that his team mate is going to win.. Thus he jumps in to assist..It is at that point that I conclude there is TEAM WORK!
But as the fight progresses, there may come a point where the third plane maneuvers into a position that makes the original team mate feel he has been crowded out by his own team mate..It is at that point that YOU conclude there is NO TEAM WORK!
Granted my point of view stems from a positive one, where I want to see team mates helping others, where as yours stems from a negative one, where you see team mates crowding out others..
Same event, but two different perspectives!
Please don't get the realism argument in,it's a Quake style server as you already said and realistic behaviour is missplaced…
Well like I said, you should not 'expect' realistic behavior, which should not be confused with you trying to play realisticly.
huh like cutting infront of someone.
Cutting in front of someone happened in real life!
Well probably the biggest reason it happed is due to the fact that we do NOT have eyes in the backs of our heads..
The difference here is that in real life, when a team mate saw his team mate MOVE INTO A BETTER POSITION, i.e. between him and the enemy, he would STOP SHOOTING and let his team make take over and he would move into a covering position.. Sadly that does not happen here! Due to the Quake point whore motivation and no real fear of death.. THE ONLY THING THAT STOPS SOMEONE FROM CONTINUING TO SHOOT AFTER THEIR TEAM MATE HAS MOVED INTO A BETTER POSITION IS THE FRIENDLY FIRE SETTING that causes damage to their own plane as opposed to their team mates plane that has moved into a better portion.
I'm not complaing about "Stealing a kill",I'm complaining about nearly getting rammed by my own side on regular basis, it's not the exception like you are saying atleast in my experience.
The way I see it there are two cases you could be referring to here..1) Your in a mosh pit style dog fight with many planes involved.
2) Your in a one on one dog fight away from the pack.
Note the two cases above are the two ends of the scale, as to say the extreme examples.
In case 1 I have no pity for you what so ever! If you allowed yourself to get involved in a mosh pit ring around the rosy dog fight at tree top level, you should expect to be rammed at some point by someone simply due to the mosh pit form of dog fighting.
In case 2 I can feel for you if you were rammed by someone while you were involved in a one on one dog fight, because in such a scenario there is no excuse that the pilot's SA was over loaded, he saw the situation and could have avoided it.. The only way I would cut such a person slack is if I was loosing the fight big time, as in it was clear to all that I was about to die and my team mate took a chance to try and save me, but it went wrong and he rammed me trying to save me.
Now lets talk about statistics
Since this is a Quake high score motivated type of server, I think we can all agree that case 1 is the RULE (read majority) and case 2 is the EXCEPTION (read minority)
Thus if your referring to case 1, I can see why you 'FEEL' ramming is NOT the exception! But also as I noted above, I have NO PITY for those who get involved in case 1 types of fights.
If your referring to case 2, and we all agree this is the EXCEPTION to the RULE, than I have to wonder why your letting these onezie twozie infrequent events upset you? Let it go!
It's your own conclusion on what you believe. I think you met me up there already and I think you know that I never insist on a Kill or whatever
That is the hard part for me to reconcile here.. In that I have seen you online and I KNOW YOUR NOT A POINT WHORE! Yet all your arguments for turning off friendly fire sound very much like the arguments the point whores make for turning it off.
I see them coming, and they see me engaged with someone and being in advantage.
I think this statement sheds some light onto why you are getting sore! You are assuming that they see you! Chances are they are focus more on the enemy plane than yours! That is just natural! But this also goes back to the two cases I listed above, if you expect people to have eyes in the backs of their heads in a mosh pit style of dog fighting.. THAN YOU EXPECT TOO MUCH FROM PEOPLE!
No one can make me believe that if someone closes in from like 1km he doesn't see me chasing the enemy. They just press onward at any cost. It happens by Veterans and new players alike. I can excuse it from a new player,but seeing Vets doing it on so a regular basis is just shameless,especially when there are enough other red ones around.
As noted above, this case 2 type of scenario is the case where I can understand why you get upset, but as I noted above, these case 2 types of scenarios are the EXCEPTIONS to what goes on in a Quake high score motivated type of server. Thus I have to wonder why these onezie twozie infrequent events upset you?
Now, these case 2 types of scenarios can be frustrating to the types of pilots like myself who fly realistically, and avoid the case 1 types of dog fights that require no skill and are totally luck based.. By frustrating, it sucks to spend 10 min in a one on one dog fight, where you have bested your opponent, only to have them dive away and be finished off by some point whore..
But in such cases you have to look for the silver lining!
You gained useful experience by applying real world tactics to best the enemy.. You know in your hart of harts you bested him..
So who cares is some noob or point whore finished him off while he was trying to land his damaged plane..
Granted, it is frustrating, but only a person who cares about his score would let it get under his skin such that he sore about it!
Let it go!
And enjoy knowing that you just bested someone in a dog fight! There is no better feeling KNOWING you did it, and it only gets better when you did it against one of the top five point whores in the server!
As I noted in my last post, each time I have managed to drag RamrJamr (also known as InAgoDaDavida, Billy Kid, etc) off into a one on one I have bested him!
And it only gets better when they accuse you of cheating! To me there is no better compliment than to be accused of cheating by one of these point whores who start to belive they are 'good' based on their points!
Their ego is such that they start to belive that the only way they can be beat is if the person that beat them is cheating!
On that note with RamrJamr.. It got so bad after the 3rd or 4th time that I beat him in a one on one that he started accusing me of not only cheating, but being one of the FC mods and that I had enabled some server option that gave me special powers..
That is the best compliment you can ever get from a point whore!!!
But I digress!
I'm not hanging around at Treetops usually,I'm not circle jerking around a Tree or a roof of a house.I'm up there alone mostly when I dive on someone. Of course the fight moves lower over time, and as more time goes by the higher the chances get that someone finds my target an appealing one too….as if its the only one flying around. I'm not complaing ingame, I just give them some bullets if they insist of getting right infront of me
Ah.. so a noob cut you off because he is a noob, or a vet cut you off because he is a point whore.. And this gives you the right to team kill?
To me that is worse than being a noob or point whore that cut you off! And THAT is EXACTLY why I like having the friendly fire option turn on!
Because it removes that form of team killing justice, which only has a snow ball effect to ruin the whole server.
people the way they treat me. You should know me by now that I'm mostly a fair player,
Yes, but I have to admit, I am surprised at what you said above!
I can not belive that you let these noobs and point whores upset you to the point that you resort to team killing!
To me that is reserved for the F-tards that purposely ram you, or jump into one of your gun positions and shoot your plane, stuff like that is what I reserve TKing for.
but some are just asking for getting a kick in the bum
And some consider those who shoot at a team mate, FOR ANY REASON, to be a bum that should be banned
Heh I'm always calm and not easily being upset,atleast not in a Computer game. No worries I will never resort to cheap things like Vulching,ramming on purpose or cutting infront of someones guns on purpose.
That is my perception of you! Your a good guy and a good sim pilot!
Therefore I will chalk up what you said abut shooting at a team mate for cutting you off as just a BAD DAY! We all have them! We all go there from time to time! So, just because someone did it does not mean they are a bad person/pilot!
What defines an F-tard pilot is someone that resorts to these tactics without a seconds thought, as in they see ramming and the like as just another tool in their tool box to be applied at any time for any reason.
Take RamrJamr for example, or what ever his handle is this week, if he finds himself in a situation that he can not win, he will simply ram you to end the fight in a draw, thus preserving his ego's vision of himself as a great pilot.