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#1 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 15:26

The Caproni Ca.60 was a 9 winged 8 engined monster of a commercial aircraft. It only got to about 60 feet before crashing, but could you imagine seeing this thing fly?

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Seems like Caproni made a number of strange aircraft even up to WWII but I found this one facinating.
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#2 TX-EcoDragon

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 15:44

Yeah, there are many things in aviation that leave a fellow scratching their head. Then again, some of the designs I've had to fly at work were not so different looking from that - and they are "cutting edge"!
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#3 Blade_meister

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 15:48

And who would have sunk(no pun intended, :lol: ) all that money into that monstrosity?

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#4 Avimimus

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 15:51

Tip of the iceberg… ;)

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#5 Browning

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 15:52

The low price of airframes and war surplus engines (especially the liberty engine) combined with increased military and business interest in aircraft in the early 20s to allow lots of experimentation with designed. There are lots of whacky failures at this time.
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#6 ChiefRedCloud

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 15:52

They were thinking MORE wings MORE lift. And even we amiture would be flyers mostly no better than that. Though the Dr1 does climb exceptionally well.
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#7 sallee

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 17:06

What were they smoking?
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#8 JoeCrow

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:51

What were they smoking?

Well, that's what castor-oil fumes does to the brain!
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#9 Haensen

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 19:57

Caproni had a lot of strange looking experimental planes :mrgreen:


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#10 Mormac

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 20:47

They were thinking it would fly
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#11 szelljr

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 22:33

Caproni had a lot of strange looking experimental planes :mrgreen:

this plane is a skiners" dream !! :lol: :lol:4 dragons,6 snakes, lol…half paintings from Louvre :mrgreen:
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#12 Mogster

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 22:53

That looks bizarre to modern eyes but a hollow fuselage like that was an important step on the road to jet propulsion.

Thanks for posting.
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#13 Demon_

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:22

:lol: :lol:
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#14 Bf-110

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 00:50

The Transaero is a very interesting plane.Now I wonder.If it was powered by more modern engines,would it fly?
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#15 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:10

The Transaero is a very interesting plane.Now I wonder.If it was powered by more modern engines,would it fly?

If it didn't work with 8 V12's I dont know what will get it up (or keep it up I should say) :D
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#16 159th_Jester

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:53

Viagra……….?

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#17 SYN_Bandy

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:18

They were thinking MORE wings MORE lift. And even we amiture would be flyers mostly no better than that. Though the Dr1 does climb exceptionally well.
Well, the Dr1 likely climbed well, but not because it had three wings. In fact Jerome Hunsaker proved it otherwise in a wind tunnel at MIT in 1917, but apparently Fokker did not know of his published study. I was unsuccessful at finding a copy of this article online, but his work has also been proven with computer simulation at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum.

The middle wing interferes with the pressure differential of the top and bottom wing, reducing overall lift and increasing drag. What three wings were good for was providing/maintaining lift at the edge of stall, thus it was a turn fighter's paradise. The Dr1 had an aggressively pitched prop for climb, at the expense of speed.

See www.Smithsonian_Airspacemag.com

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#18 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 15:55

How well does that work if the wings aren't (shoot whats the word…) in line with eachother? or having different sizes like the N11?
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#19 TX-EcoDragon

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 16:23

How well does that work if the wings aren't (shoot whats the word…) in line with eachother? or having different sizes like the N11?

If you stagger the wings, especially with negative stagger (as the Dolphin has) you can reduce the interference at a cost of wing box structure rigidity. You mention the "sesquiplane" configuration of the N11 and that too accomplishes this while retaining a slightly stronger wing box structure. Obviously, moving the wings as far apart as is possible in the vertical will help reduce interference drag. It was all about shifting the balance of strength vs lift vs drag as required for the design purpose.

People sometimes forget it, but drag isn't all bad in these types of airplanes, especially when subjecting them to aerobatic maneuvers where it will help control downline speeds as well as increase responsiveness to power reduction. Nowadays, modern aerobatic designs have worked at reducing drag on the airframe, while increasing the amount of drag that can be produced by the propeller when it is at low pitch (in constant speed prop equipped airplanes). In aerobatics, it's very useful to be pull the power and see a massive increase in drag when you want it.
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#20 Bf-110

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 23:28

This one is for sure one of the most mysterious aircraft from the early years of flight:
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The Coanda 1910
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#21 Avimimus

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 00:36

How well does that work if the wings aren't (shoot whats the word…) in line with eachother? or having different sizes like the N11?

You get some improvements…

Funny you should mention the Nieuport firm in this…

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The Horror…

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#22 MarcoRossolini

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:35

I want it! :D

Rise of Prototype Flight!
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#23 Bf-110

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 22:27

I want it! :D

Rise of Prototype Flight!

No,no,Rise of Flight 1919!
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#24 MarcoRossolini

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 22:32

Or that, like Il-2 1946! What if the war had gone on an extra year?? Snipes, Salamanders galore! (can't think of anything the Huns I'm afraid, more powerful D.VIII?)

(on a side note, I'm happy with RoF as it is. ;) )
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#25 Bf-110

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:41

Maybe even RoF 1920,if you consider WWI spanning as much as WWII.Albatros Dr.I,D.VI,D.VII and Sweden and Switzerland joining the fight!
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#26 Proccy

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:59

Caproni Campini N.1

And the very fat ducted fan lead to this
A Caproni Campini N.1 in flight
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Manufacturer Caproni
First flight 27 August 1940
Status Prototype
Number built 2
Variants Caproni Campini Ca.183bis

The Caproni Campini N.1 (sometimes referred to as the CC.2) was an experimental aircraft built by the Italian aircraft manufacturer Caproni. It was considered the first jet-powered airplane to take flight, before the Heinkel He 178 was made public.[1Attached File  Caproni_foto.jpg   13.31KB   118 downloads
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#27 Mogster

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:35

Or that, like Il-2 1946! What if the war had gone on an extra year?? Snipes, Salamanders galore! (can't think of anything the Huns I'm afraid, more powerful D.VIII?)

(on a side note, I'm happy with RoF as it is. ;) )

Central could have the Pfalz DXV, Fokker CI the DVII 2 seat version and the Junkers CLI. The Fokker EV and BMW Pfalz DXII are already in game of course.
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#28 NimitsTexan

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:28

If we go down that road, somehow we'd wind up with a BI-1 in game, I just know it . . .
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