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#1 Jason_Williams

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:07

Guys,

Need some more urgent help. If anyone can post some info on proper Squadron markings for the following units I would appreciate it. If no proper unit markings/colors available, maybe there is a famous skin or common paint scheme other than unique markings each squadron wore. For example: certain Roland C.IIa squads wore grey and other wore camo. I just need some kind of inspiration to design squad emblems for each squad that is somewhat unique if possible. I don't have time to do all this research myself in the time frame I have left so I am asking for assistance once again. You can also go through our skin packs to find examples in our skins if that leads to some info.

Just post here in this thread if you have anything useful for me. I'd hate to use a kind of generic squad emblem for all these units.

Thanks in advance!


All Done! Thanks everyone for your help! Much of it was useful! You'll see the new squad emblems in the game with the next update. And don't worry, if some are really inaccurate we can fix it later. It's not hard.

Thanks again everyone!


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#2 gorillacake

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:17

Info on squad emblems for French CAM Dunkirk:

http://albindenis.fr...M_Dunkerque.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://albindenis.fr...r/Site_escadril … kerque.htm

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2 Fights

3 Hydroplanes

Examples at top of page, photos and paint schemes below
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#3 Zoring

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:30

Jasta 30 had a large orange diamond insignia, they also were one of the few squadrons to shift entirely to the Pfalz D.III after the Albatros

The skins are in-game, like this one, minus the white tail, also a few aces. Plus their is Fokker skins also available.
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#4 AzraelMalik

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:29

The Insignia for the 213 Aero Squadron was an Indian Head (sort of like the Florida State Seminoles). Here are some images from of my digging. They are of a guys foot locker but it says 213th Aero on it. I confirmed this information from the Aerodrome website as well.

http://www.usmilitar...ice-footlocker/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.usmilitar...rum.com/forums/ … ootlocker/

As for the 148th Aero Squadron, I am only finding that it was a white triangle painted on the side of the Aircraft. The Aerodrome had this information but I couldn't find anything else to verify it.

Edit: I found this book:
http://books.google....epage&q&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://books.google....books?id=XKLqV_ … &q&f=false

Page 328 shows the insignia for 148th and 17th Aero Squadrons.

Later (on page 329), the 148th adopted the Liberty Head insignia (this is the one that shows on the Wikipedia page too).
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#5 actionjoe

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:54

From Albin Denis website.


Escadrille 57

"Sanglier Chargeant"
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After the death of Jean Chaput (6/05/18), the insignia became a "Mouette Volante"
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Escadrille 77

"Croix de Jerusalem"
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(Maurice Boyau's SPAD XIII, equipped with LePrieur)


Escadrille 99

"Pégase"
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#6 gorillacake

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 13:35

Following up on AzraelMalik, here is a drawing of the 213 aero:

http://img.wp.scn.ru...0/pics/3_10.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://img.wp.scn.ru...0/pics/3_10.jpg
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#7 gorillacake

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 13:45

Seeflugstation Flandern I (first pic on the list)

http://www.internetm...alleria/W12.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.internetm...er.com/2000/aug … ia/W12.htm
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#8 J.j.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 14:18

French units:

France CAM Dunkirk: skins are already available in Historical skinspack.

Only one marking was used on the Nieuport 17 of the Escadrille:
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France Escadrille 57
Two different markings were used during WW1. First one was an attacking boar, then after 6 May 1918 (death of squadron commander and ace Jean Chaput), his own personal insgnia was used as the unit's marking.
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France Escadrille 77
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France Escadrille 82
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France Escadrille 83
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France Escadrille 98
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The unit marking was a set of yellow-black-yellow stripes. I've yet to found a photo of a plane of the unit.

France Escadrille 99
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France Escadrille 238
France Escadrille 279
For the two Escadrilles 238 and 279, they may have used several markings during the war. I can come with some, but don't know which one is correct. So, I can post some of them as "placeholders", waiting for the answer about which one is correct. It depends if these markings can be modified in a future patch - or not.

France Escadrille 313
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#9 J.j.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 14:26

Oh, and it seems German Jastas 98 and 99 never existed.
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#10 Erik_Flyer

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 15:05

Jasta 28w:

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Jasta 30:

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Jasta 22:

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#11 Jason_Williams

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 16:24

Sorry guys I meant Escadrille 75 not 77. I have 77 already.

Are you sure about the Jasta 98 and 99? Maybe Luke had a typo in the list he sent me.

Great stuff so far!

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#12 Trooper117

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 17:22

I believe this is the emblem for escadrille 75 "Charognard"

SPA75.jpg

See here for further info http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/escadrille075.htm

See here for source of all emblems http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escadrille/page_escadrilles_1_a_500.htm

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#13 =J99=Sizzlorr

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 17:24

Sorry guys I meant Escadrille 75 not 77. I have 77 already.

Are you sure about the Jasta 98 and 99? Maybe Luke had a typo in the list he sent me.

Great stuff so far!

Jason

Oh, we do exist :D …but Jasta 99 was afaik not a real Jagdstaffel. Thats why we have chosen the name. Jasta 99 is also not listed on this wiki page http://en.wikipedia....rmy_Air_Service" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Category:J … ir_Service. There was a Flieger Abteilung Artillerie 99 FA(A) 99 but no Jasta 99.
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#14 BillyKid

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 17:46

I have more of 213 somewhere here. There are 2 variations of the Banshee head for the 213. One is very similar to the 93rds. The other is looking up slightly. Neither has the blue moon behind them like the 93rd does.

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#15 J.j.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 18:12

KEK - MFFA 1:
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The unit seems to have no special markings, but all Fokker Eindeckker of the unit had the letters LF which, for naval units, identified a "Landflugzeug", ie "land plane" by opposition with "seaplane". This could serve as a special marking.

Marine Feldflieger Abteilung 2:
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I've found this profile of a Rumpler plane, I don't know if it was the unit marking or a personnal one.

Same thing here:

Marine Feld Flieger Abteilung 1:
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#16 Finkeren

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 18:46

Krautsourcing FTW!
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#17 J.j.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 20:07

Marine Schusta I
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Marine Schusta II
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Marine FeldJasta IV:

The unit had Fokker DVII. Sachsenberg, commander of the Marine Jadggeschwader, had this order about the markings of the five differents Marine Jastas:
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So the markings of MFJ IV seemed to have been yellow nose, wheels, tails surfaces with the special black bands on the elevators, plus one light green fuselage band (vehind the cockpit) with small yellow borders. I've yet to find a picture of one of the unit's aircraft.
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#18 J.j.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 20:16

Also, for the different markings of the Schustas units, a lot of default skins of the Halberstadt CL II made by Panthercules and present in the historical skinspacks contains the different units markings.

And, don't take offence, but it would have been a lot easier to ask these kind of questions sooner, it will have facilitated researches!
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#19 Der.Mo

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 20:45

Are you sure about the Jasta 98 and 99? Maybe Luke had a typo in the list he sent me.

Great stuff so far!

Jason

Jasta 90 was the last one to be founded on 28 or 29 October 1918 (!) but never became operational. So yes,sure.
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#20 Jason_Williams

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 21:09

The Jasata 98 and 99 might be a mistake. Will look at it.

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#21 Jason_Williams

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 21:12

Also, for the different markings of the Schustas units, a lot of default skins of the Halberstadt CL II made by Panthercules and present in the historical skinspacks contains the different units markings.

And, don't take offence, but it would have been a lot easier to ask these kind of questions sooner, it will have facilitated researches!

Yes I know this, but I need you guys to guide me to the exact skins to save time. We have a million skins and a million skin packs. I have little time. This fell into my lap at the last minute unfortunately. I've done over 200 new squad markings for the game in 3 days. I'm down to the last few dozen.

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#22 BillyKid

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 21:15

Attaching a few Spad escadrille insignia.

Jason I have questions about time frame for 98, 238, 279 and 313

98 or N98 joined GI21 1 March 1918, In April gave up N27,s for Spad 13's was formed from elements of N85 in November 1917 assigned to 2nd Armee under Capt. Leon Bonne.

238 or SOP238 formed from elements of SOP226 March 1918 assigned to 47D.I. based at Rozoy-en-Brie, became BR 238 in May 1918. Assigned to 6th Armee. Are you looking for the Sopwiths or the Breguets?

279 or SOP279 formed from elements of SOP24 in March 1918 assigned to 2nd C.C. at Bray-Dunes re-equipped with Breguets in June 1918. Became BR279 June 1918 and assigned to 22nd C.C. at Bray-Dunes. Are you looking for Sopwiths or Breguets?

313 or SP313 was a D.C.A. unit formed from N313 in June 1917 equipped with Spad 7's under command of Lt. Duron assigned in Dunkerque. N313 was equipped with N27's and Sop strutters neither of which are in game yet. N313 formed July 1917 from disbanded N312.

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#23 BillyKid

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 21:22

213th A.E.F Banshee. Still no Blue moon behind it.

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#24 nbryant

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 21:44

Link to info on the 213th:

http://freepages.mil...roinsignia.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://freepages.mil...y.rootsweb.ance … ignia.html
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#25 Jason_Williams

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 21:58

Ok guys,

I have the 213th and 148th down. Thanks for the leads.

Now I need to know about the 17th Aero emblem. I forgot to add that one to my list above.

I know it was a bird of prey with talons out, but no detail. Anyone know of any other image?

http://commons.wikim...ar_I_Emblem.png" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: … Emblem.png

Edit: Aerodrome says the insignia was the Great Snow Owl! Any images that can pass for that insignia?

I also know they flew Camels.

Anyone have this book? http://www.amazon.co.../theaerodromeA/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...ec/obidos/ISBN= … erodromeA/

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#26 navair2

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 22:12

Try this:

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#27 Jason_Williams

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 22:14

Navair,

Where is that picture of the fuselage on the net? If it any bigger anywhere?

Edit: Nope that's about it, but it can server as a source to be re-created.

Thanks!

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#28 navair2

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 22:17

It's on E-bay actually…I'll keep looking for more. http://www.ebay.com/...=item257abd6e65" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ebay.com/...ace-autograph-G … 257abd6e65

Here's another: http://www.ebay.com/...=item4850d0d0ee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ebay.com/...autograph-ww1-a … 4850d0d0ee

Addendum: http://www.ranger95....sq/17th_wps.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ranger95....airforce/weapon … th_wps.htm

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#29 BillyKid

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 23:26

spa57 plates and 17th camels and spad. The snow owl was put into use when the 17th was re equipped with the spad 13's

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#30 BillyKid

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:01

SPA80 and SPA86 BTW confirming these plates against b/w photos. That is what is taking so long.

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#31 Panthercules

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:05

Jason - I've compiled all the info I could find from my resources at hand about the edited list in your first post, in the Word document here:

http://www.mediafire...son_3-11-13.zip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire.../file/94olf6xj4 … -11-13.zip

Sorry I don't have any reference materials with much info about the FA/FA(A) units.
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#32 Jason_Williams

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:48

Thanks Panther. It helped me.

France is done.
USA is done.
Belgium is done.
Great Britain is done

Just have Germany left. See above. Some of these are real tough. Not much to go on.

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#33 Gunsmith86

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:47

SchuSta 10 later SchlaSta 10
http://www.google.de/imgres?start=122&hl=de&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbm=isch&tbnid=NJTwpb2g74CXEM:&imgrefurl=http://www.buddecke.de/beckedorf-lebenslauf.htm&docid=EEMxQwxICjomcM&imgurl=http://www.buddecke.de/beckedorf/Scan10138.JPG&w=1000&h=631&ei=cOA-UZSkGYXitQavr4HQAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=405&vpy=427&dur=7631&hovh=178&hovw=283&tx=161&ty=85&page=3&tbnh=137&tbnw=236&ndsp=67&ved=1t:429,r:35,s:100,i:109&biw=1920&bih=915

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SchuSta 14 later SchlaSta 14
http://www.buddecke.de/ruckelshausen/ruckelska.htm

http://www.buddecke.de/ruckelshausen-lebenslauf.htm
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#34 Der.Mo

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:56

Panthercules made a Schusta 2 generic skin back in April 2012
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#35 gorillacake

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:02

Gunsmith beat me to it, but buddecke has a nice site for photos like that.
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#36 Gunsmith86

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:20

Royal Bavarian Jagdstaffeln:
http://www.theaerodrome.com/services/germany/jasta/rbj.php


Royal Prussian Jagdstaffeln
http://www.theaerodrome.com/services/germany/jasta/rpj.php


Royal Saxon Jagdstaffeln
http://www.theaerodrome.com/services/germany/jasta/rsj.php


Royal Württemburg Jagdstaffeln
http://www.theaerodrome.com/services/germany/jasta/rwj.php

No Jasta 98 or 99.
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#37 Sylvis

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 20:05

Jason,

According to Schlachtflieger! (ISBN 0-7643-2441-1) the markings of both Schusta 1 and Schusta 4 are unknown as there are no known photographs.
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#38 J2_Adam

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 23:17

Pretty sure 98 and 99 aren't real.
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#39 Jason_Williams

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:27

All done guys. Some squad emblems will be fictional because no data exists, but they will look plausible.

I'm gonna lock this thread now so no one wastes their time on this. I'm moving on to other projects now.

Update coming in the near future. :-)

Yes, J99 and J98 were not real. They were tests. We have deleted.

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