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#1 Korontari

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 21:38

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Hello everyone,

I would like to present you a model I have been working on for the last 14 month during "lunch time" if speaking figuratively. The Sikorskiy aircraft was the world's first heavy bomber and the design was revolutionary for its time. The bomber was succesfully used during the WWI. Video and all images below are rendered with open GL and simple realtime shaders, no "render cheats".



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I was making this model with a possible game appliance in mind. The requirements for RoF were guessed. I relied on my experience, models I watched in RoF and information from skin templates. If RoF development team is interested, I can continue with this model at the same pace and eventually bring it to the state when it can be integrated into the sim. I assume the following work needed to be done for that:

- adjusting this model for RoF requirements ( I suppose some polygon count optimization is needed )
- creating LODs and auxiliary objects (shadowboxes etc.)
- creating interiors
- creating animations

All these can be done at no cost for 777 assuming information and technical assistance provided by the team. NDA's can be signed if needed.

If not interested, then I leave the model at its current state and save my time for something else. This alternative has its benefits. :)


References I used to build the model:

- Harry Woodman. "Sikorsky Ilya Muromets Type Veh". 2000. Albatros Productions ltd.
- Marat Khayrulin. "Ilya Muromets". 2010. Eksmo publisher.
- Alec Brew. "Sunbeam Aero Engines". 1998. Airlife Publishing Ltd.

Apart from listed above a number of materials from various periodic publications were used. Memoires by Sergey and Mikhail Nikolskoy and Konstantin Finne gave a good historical background. And of course Internet was explored intensively.

Critics and comments are welcomed.

Kind regards,
Korontari.
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#2 HotTom

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 21:39

A beauty!
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#3 Trooper117

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 21:56

Brilliant job.. this old girl saw action during the war as well.. but only on the russian front :(
Non the less, an outstanding effort!
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#4 =69.GIAP=REDVO

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 22:21

SALUTE

Indeed, your work looks awesome :S!:
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#5 navair2

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 22:33

Nice work sir. :S!:
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#6 J2_Wallenberg

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 23:25

Great attention to detail! If a finished RoF-model of this aircraft makes it to the store, I'd definitely buy it.
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#7 Bf-110

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 00:09

More than awesome work!A beautiful airplane!There seems to be nothing that russians can't do at Epic Scale.

I hope we get this plane and her sister variants on RoF soon…Wonder why the brits didn't operate the S-22…
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#8 LordMandrake

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 00:40

Very impressive! I just voted for this craft in the polls…
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#9 Markow

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 00:44

wOw
amazing
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#10 Dressedwings

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 00:57

Holy hell. Yes please.
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#11 Sylvis

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:34

Wow! Amazing! What program did you use to model it?
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#12 Avimimus

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:42

My gut instinct: Suggest 'Hire him' ;)
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#13 Avimimus

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:52

Two questions:
- Is there any chance of seeing a version of this model released as a 3rd party static object?
- I've often read about a variety of experimental weapons (cannon, rockets, recoilless rifles) tested on versions of the Ilya - but I've never seen any evidence - do you know of a good source?

Beautiful work - thanks for sharing!
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#14 NewGuy_

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:00

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow! :o This is a shock. What a beauty. You are one heck of an artist, to say the least.

8-)
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Something something SPAD. Something something then dive away. 


#15 Bf-110

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:14

Yeah,I saw on wikipedia it had a wide variety of weapons.Probably the best sources are in russian.
That weapon mod will give 777 a ton of work,but it will be a huge blast as the plane itself.As I said,I hope they work on all or most of the plane variants.
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#16 SYN_DerHesse70

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:56

Amazing! :o :o :o
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#17 CaK_Novotny

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:58

I have no words! It's a beautiful work.
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#18 hq_Jorri

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:10

Beautiful!

Dont forget, a lot of work would need to be done also for damage modeling.
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#19 JG1Baron_J6

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:13

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

HimmelHerrGott - beautifull…
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#20 IM.LOFT

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:46

:S!: :shock:
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#21 Trooper117

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:51

If Korontari isn't working for RoF, he should be… :)
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#22 PilsnerPilot

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:56

Unbelievable! Beautiful work! I want him to game. I would definitely buy it, or somehow contribute to further development. :S!:
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#23 Nevo

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:12

Awesome!

I would like to present you a model I have been working on for the last 14 month during "lunch time" if speaking figuratively.
Respect man! :)
Definitely looking forward to see it in ROF.
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#24 Korontari

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:27

Thank you all for the responses! That is really rewarding.

- I've often read about a variety of experimental weapons (cannon, rockets, recoilless rifles) tested on versions of the Ilya - but I've never seen any evidence - do you know of a good source?

A good source in Enlish I know of is Harry Woodmans monograph. But it focuses on Type Veh modification only briefly mentioning other types. There should be some books published in US on Russian Imperial airfleet in general and Sikorskiy biography but unfortunately I don't remember their titles.

Yeah,I saw on wikipedia it had a wide variety of weapons.Probably the best sources are in russian.
That weapon mod will give 777 a ton of work,but it will be a huge blast as the plane itself.As I said,I hope they work on all or most of the plane variants.

The early versions of Ilya Muromets (Type "Ah" and "Beh") had a gun platform in front of the ship's cabin. In August 1914 they tested 37-mm Hotchkiss gun with the intention to use it agains Zeppelins that were considered a major threat in the air at that time. According to evidences that was a very spectacular view of a huge aircraft firing gun in the air. But tests were regonized as unsuccessful. The shell dispersion and firing rate were not as expected. Besides the gun was heavy and required two men to operate. It never saw action.

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Hotchkiss gun barrel can be seen behind a man with a white beard.

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A man is standing on the gun platform. The gun itself is removed.

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Ilya Muromets Type Beh with the gun.

Apart from Hotchkiss gun there were attempts to use recoiless Helwig gun. It was also considered ineffective after trials.

I never heard about rockets used on these airships.

Also it is important to note that early types of the Muromets differed much from subsequent modifications. They were bigger, slower and were designed as luxurious passenger airliners rather than military ship. Type Veh was the first modification designed solely for military purposes.

Beautiful!
Dont forget, a lot of work would need to be done also for damage modeling.

Yes, I anticipate that. Though my main concern is recreating interior due to its complexity and scarce references available.

- Is there any chance of seeing a version of this model released as a 3rd party static object?
I am sorry I can't answer your question at the moment. I would wait for developers responce if any.

Wow! Amazing! What program did you use to model it?
Blender. :)
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#25 J5_Vorlander

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:15

Holy crap. :o
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#26 DogEater

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:23

I can't believe my eyes!!!
should we pray god or 777 to help you to finish that amazing "bird"?
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#27 WF2

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:31

Excellent!
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#28 Trooper117

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 14:06

Next we need a map to fly it on!
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#29 Sayan

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 14:19

Павел, это прекрасно!
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#30 SYN_Vander

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 14:24

Impressive work! Really, really nice. :S!:

In response to someone's question: A static objects for RoF is easily made, but there is one issue: Static objects in RoF do not support multiple LODs the same way as for vehicles/planes. The LOD distance is optimized for big buildings, not for highly detailed objects up close….
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#31 an_kornilov

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 14:26

Потрясающе! Просто нет слов.
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#32 Romario

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 14:38

Excellent! I hope to introduce this beautiful model in the project!
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#33 svivon

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 15:43

:S!: :S!: :S!:
EXCELLENT!!

But (if am not mistaken) the V21 (cyrillic B21) aircraft had RBVZ engines (not Sunbeam) ;)
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#34 =J13=Moroka

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 15:49

Bravo! Excellent work! :S!:
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#35 Sayan

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 16:00

Мужики, если кто не понял, автор проекта-русский ;)
"вау" и "йоу" -отставить! :D
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#36 svivon

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 16:02

Да-да, но форум-то английский. :-)
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#37 klementovich

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 16:05

Отличная работа! Куплю за любые деньги!
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#38 Sita

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 17:02

Ребята! Это правда??? ущипните меня!! глазам не верится!!

просто невероятно!!

МегаРеспект Автору!!!

и вопрос к Альберту, пойдёт ли навстречу автору команда РОФа?
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#39 89

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 17:04

Вот это да!!!!!!
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#40 Bf-110

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 17:19

Yeah,I saw on wikipedia it had a wide variety of weapons.Probably the best sources are in russian.
That weapon mod will give 777 a ton of work,but it will be a huge blast as the plane itself.As I said,I hope they work on all or most of the plane variants.

The early versions of Ilya Muromets (Type "Ah" and "Beh") had a gun platform in front of the ship's cabin. In August 1914 they tested 37-mm Hotchkiss gun with the intention to use it agains Zeppelins that were considered a major threat in the air at that time. According to evidences that was a very spectacular view of a huge aircraft firing gun in the air. But tests were regonized as unsuccessful. The shell dispersion and firing rate were not as expected. Besides the gun was heavy and required two men to operate. It never saw action.

Image
Hotchkiss gun barrel can be seen behind a man with a white beard.

Image
A man is standing on the gun platform. The gun itself is removed.

Image
Ilya Muromets Type Beh with the gun.

Apart from Hotchkiss gun there were attempts to use recoiless Helwig gun. It was also considered ineffective after trials.

I never heard about rockets used on these airships.

Also it is important to note that early types of the Muromets differed much from subsequent modifications. They were bigger, slower and were designed as luxurious passenger airliners rather than military ship. Type Veh was the first modification designed solely for military purposes.

Did the gun go in front of the plane cabin????How was it operated?
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