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#1 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 13:08

Hello,I work on Sixty Squadron, RAF. We're a Bell 412/Griffin outfit based at Shawbury, England. You may fly some of our WWI aircraft! Right now I'm making a series of framed prints reflecting the squadron's illustrious history BUT World War I needs to come alive for our students - and I think I can make that happen by printing some screenshots of Sixty Sqn aircraft, mounting and framing them. They will then be passed every day by staff, students and visitors.

Would you like to help? These are the aircraft I'm looking for, but they must be in Sixty Sqn colors….

Nieuport 16/17
Spad S VIII
Morane Parasol
Morane Type BB
SE5/SE5A

You can post them here or email me at

shy-dhfs60qhci010@mod.uk

thanks for any help you can give, and remember, your screenshot could end up on our wall!

Rick
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#2 hq_Jorri

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 13:28

Hello Rick, and welcome to the forums.

Very nice initiative. I think you will get a lot of response from this, don't be surprised if you find your inbox full at the end of the week! I'm sure many here would consider it an honour and I bet so would the developers.

I'll give it a go myself as well.

ROF has the following aircraft you mentioned:

Nieuport 17
Spad SVII
SE5a

There is also another WWI flight simulator, 'Over Flanders Fields', I believe it also has the other planes you asked about.

Maybe if you get the result you're looking for, you can drop the name of ROF to your students :)?
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#3 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 14:29

Hi Jorri, thanks for the reply. I look forward to any responses. Of course the eventual framed print of screenshots will generate some discussion as it's 'modern art', and I will Ensure Rise of Flight gets a credit. As you can imagine, all of our photos are black and white so with good resolution and dramatic angles I look forward to some nice pics- all down to the skill of the operators, of course!

Thanks for the steer for Over Flanders Fields, for the other types. Which forum do you suggest I post to? Do they have a dedicated forum?

As well as being serving aircrew i'm also an enthusiast! I have a wealth of WWI material in our records if anyone needs a bit of research done.

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#4 hq_Jorri

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 20:57

Hm, expected more response to this :)

Here are a couple I made. The skins were made by various ROF community members. I trust they're accurate as far as data is available, but can't attest to it. Also, the N17 does not have the foster mount for the Lewis gun as wqas used by 60sqn, but a French mount.

There are some more skins for the SE5a….generic skins for A, B and C flight and a Caldwell skin.

If you're interested in more screenshots, or have any specific wishes, let us know!

Generic 60sqn Nieuport 17:
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Albert Ball's Nieuport 17:
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Generic 60sqn SE5a:
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Bishop's SE5a (sorry, it has an empty bomb rack attached…I co9uld take some screenies without it if you want):
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#5 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 22:11

Jorri, it's ok about the response time, I only went online a short time ago, and i know the simmers here lead busy lives. Should I place my request somewhere more prominent perhaps?

Anyway, I'm blown away by the beautiful images you have posted - truly bringing our WWI aircraft to life -thank you.

A question or two:

Generic schemes: would that actually have been flown, or did they all have letters on?

Bishop's SE5A: great colour scheme! Flown like that on Sixty? With bomb rack? If that is how it flew, that's fine. Wow, you just cannot see this detail on looking at the originals.

Regards,

Rick

PS: If anyone can swing this, to have an enemy aircraft mixing it would be a bonus, but I don't want to be greedy. These images are amazing in their own right.
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#6 hq_Jorri

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:09

Yes, ROF definitely is a stunner!

Not sure about the generic skins, I could imagine so actually. Maybe someone else could answer? Maybe your own documentation can help?

The SE5a shouldn't have that bomb rack so I'll make some screenshots without it.

There's another problem: the Nieuport 17 in Rise of Flight has a Vickers machinegun. I've kept it out of sight on these screens, but that does limit the possibilities - although there is a mod that might perhaps help, I'll give that a try.

Albert Ball had a red spinner on his Nieuport, which we don't have.

I can make some action shots as well. If you wait a few months, we can have shots of Ball shooting down one of his many Walfisch :).

rOEN911 makes digital artwork based on Rise of Flight, here's a piece of his about Ball:

http://roen911.deviantart.com/art/quot-Defend-of-Bapaume-quot-Albert-Ball-267003173

You can contact rOEN here, if you're interested you can ask him if you can use his work:

http://riseofflight.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=106340

Regards,

Joris
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#7 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 22:31

Jorri, just a line to say thanks for your continuing work for me - much appreciated! I have downloaded your screenshots and rOEN911 has kindly given his permission to use his Ball Albatros kill too, so good work all round. Over Flanders Fields have responded well and will look into the Morane craft which are in their development phase.

Thanks again!

Rick
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#8 hq_Jorri

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 22:51

Hi Rick,

Hopefully I can make some more screenies next week.

I'm curious about the results from the OFF community, would you mind posting a link here when you get some screenshots from them?

And, you're very welcome.
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#9 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 07:46

Yes I will do that. OFF have also offered a very helpful response. I have posted your work on there as I think collaboration and sharing ideas helps to get the best results. There's a lot of talent out here!

It'll be really interesting to compare th two different sims.
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#10 hq_Jorri

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 12:44

Nice to hear. Let's hope we can avoid some of the usual friction we see between the communities :( Really no need for that.

On October 1st 1916, Ball returned from an early morning patrol where he had attacked three enemy scouts who he had dared to take off from the German airfield at Lagnicourt, and another Albatros C-type.

'Flying towards the lines, he met an all-white Albatros and manoeuvred under its tail. Canting his Lewis gun upwards, Ball started firing, only to have a gun jam after the first 50 rounds. As he attempted to rectify the gun, the white Albatros went down to land in a large field near Hamelincourt. With little fuel in his tank, and a useless Lewis gun, Ball set course for his own airfield.'

(Albert Ball VC, Chaz Bowyer)

This must have been his last kill for 60 Sqn.

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#11 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 15:02

Very nice - now you're spoiling me :)
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#12 Panthercules

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 18:18

Just noticed this thread (thanks to a PM from Jorri). My main reference work for stuff like this (British Aviation Squadron Markings of World War I) does not indicate that No.60 Squadron ever flew SPAD VIIs, and RoF doesn't have the Morane aircraft in the game yet, but it does have a number of pictures of Nieuport 17s and SE5/5a's and we do have those in game.

We also do have No.60 squadron in the beta Career Mode, so this was one of the ones I have on my list to do more skins for anyway. I'd be happy to advance my schedule and knock out a few more No.60 Squadron skins that could be used to produce some screenshots for this effort, though it might take me a couple of days to crank them out.
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Posted 20 October 2012 - 18:30

…. I have a wealth of WWI material in our records if anyone needs a bit of research done.

Rick
Maybe Rick could have a bit of a dig around in the records and see if he can find any useful material for our talented skinners to work from.
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#14 hq_Jorri

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 18:34

Good suggestions for both!

Rick, do you have any info on the SPAD 7's that flew for 60 Sqn? What kind of engine did they have? Any sources on the paint jobs they carried?

And any info the N17's and SE5a's?
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#15 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 22:52

Evening all :) Hello to Panthercules and =AH=_Sid, thanks for joining in.

Although my squadron records has a list of Spad serials, I prefer to rely on our recently acquired Osprey book on Sixty by Alex Revell (who appears to be something of a guru on WWI aviation - his book features many gems inlcuding artwork).

The only Spad VII listed in the book is A523, flown to 60 on the posting in (15 Sep 1916) of Capt Ernest Leslie Foot, for operational trials. Capt Foot scored one victory in this machine - the picture of it has standard rudder blue/white/red flash, 'A523' on the fin, fuselage is 'light' in shade, possibly one colour, no roundels or other markings visible. The two darker panels underneath the cockpit (wood?) are darker shaded, they extend forward to the engine cowling. Wing colours: unknown. Engine unknown I'm afraid, but might the date of arrival provide a clue?

The book has colour plates, I will describe them to you best I can:

"-" denotes roundel

N17:A.274. Overall silver fuselage sides, 'C-2 (the 'C' is the entire height of the vertical fuselage side, as is the '2') The 'C' is also repeated imediately aft of the cockpit, with the '2' behind it. The '2' goes as far aft as the fuselage '2', to where the control lines exit the fuselage. The number is aft of the roundel on both sides. No cowling colour. Aircraft is silver overall, roundels on upper and lower wings

N17: A.6646 C-5, same details as above, blue cowling

N17: A.311 1-C

N17 B.1514 4-A

N16: A135 (note no full stop/period after the 'A') brown and green camo, standard roundels, Prieur rockets (black)

SE5: A8936, Bishops aircraft as your screenshot (no bomb carrier). Blue wheels

SE5: A8932, Capt E Molesworth, same scheme as above but in red. Fin was brown though with white serial
Rudder has standard RAF colours. Wheels are blue outer, silver middle, and red inner.

'Grid' Caldwells (as above, but in yellow) SE5 has a leaf on the rudder, which you really need to see before applying.

Hope this helps.
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#16 Panthercules

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 20:53

Thanks for the additional info - I may have to look into getting a copy of that book at some point.

In the meantime, I have whipped up a few No.60 Squadron SE5a's used during the period from about 26 August 1917 until about 22 March 1918, based on the info in the British Aviation Squadron Markings of World War I book:

Standard generic scheme, without flight markings:
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Standard generic scheme, with "A" flight red wheel covers:
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Standard generic scheme, with "B" flight white wheel covers:
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Standard generic scheme, with "C" flight blue wheel covers:
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Aircraft serial no. A8918, flown by Lt. H.T. Hammond, shot down and POW on 14 September 1917:
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Aircraft serial no. B507, flown by 2/Lt. J.J. FitzGerald, forced down by engine failure and made a POW on 5 October 1917:
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Here are the skin files (in a JSGME-ready "mod" package), so you can make any sort of screenshots you wish for your project:

http://www.mediafire...__for_JSGME.zip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire.../file/06043bb2z … _JSGME.zip

Enjoy!
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 22:15

And while I was looking around, I took some screenshots of some of the other No. 60 Squadron skins already in the game, for use during the period of July-August 1917:

Keith Caldwell's aircraft:
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"A" Flight default:
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"B" Flight default:
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"C" Flight default:
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Bishop's aircraft:
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#18 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 22:22

Panthercules, great work thank you very much indeed. Plenty to get stuck into! I'll transfer the images to work as my work pc won't bring up pics.

In gratitude,

Rick
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#19 hq_Jorri

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 22:32

Great work, Panthercules.

Since they're for printing out, do you still have the high resolution versions of these? I could host them if you need.
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#20 Panthercules

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 22:40

Great work, Panthercules.

Since they're for printing out, do you still have the high resolution versions of these? I could host them if you need.


Sure - the original high rez uncropped .bmp screen captures can be downloaded here:

http://www.mediafire...screenshots.zip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire.../file/pn06a4t2u … nshots.zip
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 23:17

Gr8 pictures Panthercules and hq_Jorri. To bad there waswnt more rof members posting pictures. I would but my pc is not theat good and my resolution is only 1680x1050 so i passed on posting. Still amezing pictures and gr8 effort for u two and =AH=_Sid too rof spreding the word.
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#22 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 06:08

Thanks for the hi res, panthercules :)
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#23 Panthercules

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 06:55

You're welcome.

Here are some shots of some more No.60 Squadron skins I've created - Nieuport 17s this time, again based on the info and photos in the book I mentioned above:

Generic "A" Flight default:
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Generic "B" Flight default:
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Generic "C" Flight default:
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Serial No. A'200, "A6", flown by Capt. Molesworth and others:
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Serial No. B'1514, "A4", flown by 2/Lt. McKissock (POW 6 May 1917):
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Serial No. A'6718, "A3" (early) - flown by Lt. H. Kirten Jan/Mar 1917:
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Serial No. A'6718, "A3" (late) - flown by Lt. D.C. Murray (POW 27 June 1917):
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The original hi-rez, uncropped screen captures can be downloaded here:

http://www.mediafire...screenshots.zip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire.../file/uf3rar9tm … nshots.zip

The skin files are here, so you can make more screenshots if you wish:

http://www.mediafire...0_N17_skins.zip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire.../file/wgjhp3apa … _skins.zip

Enjoy!

BTW - any additional information you might have regarding the service histories of these individuals and/or aircraft would be appreciated.
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#24 J.j.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 17:53

It seems they have the Vickers.
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#25 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 18:22

Thank you once agian panthercules. j.j., were 60 aircraft armed with Lewis guns?
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#26 J.j.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 19:02

Yes.
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#27 Panthercules

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 20:13

Yeah - from the photos it appeared that most (if not all) of the No.60 Squadron N17s were armed only with the over-wing Lewis. We don't yet have the option in RoF to remove the Vickers, so in the screenshots I added the Lewis Weapons Mod and tried to take the shots from angles that masked the Vickers.

Best I could do under the circumstances.
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#28 hq_Jorri

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 20:17

Also, the N17 in ROF uses a French lewis mount rather than the Foster mount.
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#29 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 22:21

Hi guys, the Vickers does not detract from the overall feel of the screenshot and will still bring the artwork alive for viewers - but all credit to you for disguising and adding as you have done. Some great work, thanks.
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#30 hq_Jorri

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 22:40

Dont you dare being less of a nerd than we are about this :D

Neuro, your resolution doesnt sound thatbad, and regardless of your system you can still make high quality screenshots, although it takes some effort. Heres how: fly with your normal settings, and record a track. Then, change your setting to high (leave post effects off) and play the track.

Your framerate will be terrible, but wh cares about framerate when you want to make goodlooking stills!

Make sure o press windowskey+H. To turn off all hud elements including the pause icon.

Lay around with it a little bit, and you will find its is a lof of fun to turn out some goodlooking high detailed screenies!

Another tip: screenshots look best at the maximum zoom level, if you zoom out even a little bit you will really quickly get a fish eye effect.
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Posted 22 October 2012 - 22:44

Thx for advice hq_Jorri. I didnt know u cann change setting on recorder track. I will give a tray soon i cann. Thx for the help. :S!:
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#32 hq_Jorri

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 23:12

Well they are not seperate settings so you will have to restart ROF, but its worth the effort I think!
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#33 =AH=_Sid

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 23:26

Thanks for the great screen shot tips Jorri, must try that. Image
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#34 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:55

Hi guys, I'm going to going to print shortly. if anyone would like their real name credited for the screenshots, please PM me. Regards, Rick
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#35 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 20:13

Just so you know, 'ODB Software- Over Flanders Fields' has been suggested for OFF screengrabs.I'm open to suggestions for a generic credit if that is the consensus.
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#36 hq_Jorri

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 20:29

Sounds good. No need to credit me, don't know about the others, but I'd say credit the sim as 777 Studios - Rise of Flight.

Looking forward to the result! Could you post a photo when they're mounted?
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#37 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 21:39

Of course.
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#38 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 11:25

Hi guys, just to let you know I might be unable to conect to the web for a week or so from today, and will check messages/screenshots on my return.

Thanks for any work ongoing and happy flying.
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#39 J.j.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 15:32

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Captain Molesworth checking his Lewis gun, France, 1917.

Need some more work on the skins. :S!:
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#40 Sixty_Sqn_RAF

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:00

Hi all, I'm back online. Just to let you know that hq_Jorri & panthercules, your images will be made into a montage of 4 prints in one mounted frame. rOEN911, your Capt Ball kill will be a stand-alone framed print. Framing and mounting due to occur on Wed-Fri this week. I'll post a photo of them completed.

I'm still looking for any Morane Type BB, Morane Parasol, and Nieuport firing Prieur rockets. Does the Prieur feature in RoF? if so, can anyone capture a screenshot please?

Regards,

Rick
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