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#41 Colslaw

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:41

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Here is something I did earlier this year for a book on WWI German Aircraft

The Roland C.II served from March 1916 until June 1917 at the front (although two are still listed in August), with the most being in December 1916 when 64 are listed. The Halberstadt CL.II arrived in late July 1917. . so the two are not contemporary despite some claims elsewhere in this thread
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#42 Spag

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:05

Can we just simply agree that the C.IIa will nicely fill in a gap in the time frame career mode simulates? Sheesh, I swear some of you want to argue just for the sake of arguing.
No we don't!
Cheers,
Spag. :)
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Bite off more than you can chew.

Then chew like Hell ! ! !


#43 gavagai

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 02:16

So, who actually believes that the Roland C.II and the Albatros D.II had the same airspeed?

Shouldn't the Roland be 10 kph slower on the deck?

The "data" says both were 165kmh aircraft at sea level.
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#44 W1ndy

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 03:20

When I was a kid I had a plastic model of this plane !

Not a technical reason to want it … I just want it.
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#45 Fafnir6

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:03

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Here is something I did earlier this year for a book on WWI German Aircraft

The Roland C.II served from March 1916 until June 1917 at the front (although two are still listed in August), with the most being in December 1916 when 64 are listed. The Halberstadt CL.II arrived in late July 1917. . so the two are not contemporary despite some claims elsewhere in this thread

I'm REALLY looking forward to this plane. The Lewis would make a great weapon mod.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6
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#46 Mogster

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 15:37

We need that shark mouth skin as default :)
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#47 DidNotFinish

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 15:51

Beautiful! I swore I thought if we were going to get a two-seater I'd have to be the Strutter. :P Nope.
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#48 PatAWilson

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 16:13

I'll take it.

I honestly would love to see some of the "boring" planes from start to finish - BE2, Alb C series, Farman, etc. But the Roland served in reasonable numbers and coexists nicely with the DFW.

This is how I think of the timeline.
Pre air war: August 1914 - August 1915.

Early: August 1915 - Oct 1916. Marked by the Fokker scourge and the Allied response. Fokker E, N.11, DH2 dominate.

Early-Mid: Oct 1916 - July 1917. The resurgence of the GAS with the Advent of the Albatros. British start introducing Pup and Tripe, French introduce SPAD VII.

Late Mid: July 1917 - June 1918. The tide swings back to the allies with the introduction of the SE5a, Camel, and SPAD XIII. The Germans offerings are the mediocre Alb D.Va and Pfalz D.III,

Late: June 1918 - end. The advantage swings back to the Germans with the Fokker D.VII.

Roland CL.II falls pretty squarely in the early-mid category. Very effective against its initial opponents, remains effective well into 1917, and finally falls into obsolescence as it is withdrawn.
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#49 redcoat22

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 16:26

Here is a great article about the Roland production and a little on fielding. It would be really cool to get some early squadron types like FFA and see them transition over time. I picture flying in FFA(A) 235 with only 4 planes and getting a flash pop up on the historical date explaining reorganization.

http://www.histomin....Roland C.II.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.histomin....m/HM Journal/HM … 20C.II.htm
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#50 GAJIT

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 17:13

Very pleased to learn of this addition - just keem 'em coming and well done ROF
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#51 4./JG53_Wotan

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 17:21

Here is something I did earlier this year for a book on WWI German Aircraft

The Roland C.II served from March 1916 until June 1917 at the front (although two are still listed in August), with the most being in December 1916 when 64 are listed. The Halberstadt CL.II arrived in late July 1917. . so the two are not contemporary despite some claims elsewhere in this thread

The LFG Roland C.IIa (don't forget the "a") entered service in August 1916 - the LFG Roland C.II entered service a bit earlier. The peak service number for the LFG Roland C.II (both versions) was 64 in December 1916. Most were pulled from front line service by summer 1917 (June).

I never wrote that the LFG Roland C.IIa was a contemporary of the Halberstadt CL.II - it never served in enough numbers to be a contemporary of anything. However, service entry dates for the DFW CV, Halberstadt CL.II, and LFG Roland C.IIa, overlap. What I had written was:

The LFG Roland C.IIa served during the same time period as the DFW CV and Halberstadt CL.II albeit in far fewer numbers.

I have seen service entry dates for the Halberstadt CL.II ranging from July to August 1917. What is clear to me is that production was approved sometime in May 1917.

Despite being very rare in overall numbers the LFG Roland C.IIa is not that unique and I am not so sure what "gap it fills" as an "early war" central 2-seater. However, I did write that it is a great looking plane and will be fun to fly.

I think Albert Ball shot down more Rolands than any other plane :)

I am not sure how many LFG Roland C.IIs Ball claimed overall but I have read that after Ball claimed his first air victory - an LFG Roland C.II - he referred to it as, "…the best German machine now".

Wotan
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#52 hq_Jorri

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 17:25

He shot down a whopping 23 of them….14 in August 1916 alone. Most if not all would have been C.II's and not C.IIa's, though.
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#53 Lord_Flash

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 17:44

Personally, and despite the fact that the Walfisches were few and far between, I think it's going to make quite an exciting addition to the RoF stable. If we could get a few more prey aeroplanes, such as the Aviatik C.Ia and the B.E2c, and perhaps Caudrons and so on, with the campaign eventually (in my dreams) being put back to August 1915 as a starting date, it'd all be very very exciting.

Hopefully the next bus in the works is the F.E2b though - I'd pay a week's wages for that to make an appearance.
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#54 Catfish

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 18:08

Also, theer were not so much planes in the sky overall, early in the war - so low production numbers are true for almost all planes of the (early) time.
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#55 vonBuck

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 18:10

Yes, yes, yes!!
I like the Walfisch!!

There will be a lot of flying sharkmouths and curtains then!

And best of it….
this crate can also dive!! :shock:

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#56 Sylvis

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:40

The Roland C2 is listed as a fighter in the store, should it not be multi-purpose?
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#57 sallee

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 19:55

When I was a kid I had a plastic model of this plane !

Not a technical reason to want it … I just want it.

Ditto! Now what was the other aircraft in the Airfix "Dogfight Double"?
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#58 Mogster

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 20:28

The Roland C2 is listed as a fighter in the store, should it not be multi-purpose?

I'd say so, Wiki has it carrying bombs, I assume we'll get a camera install.
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#59 hq_Jorri

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 20:29

Store page lists bomb load variations:

4 x 12.5kg (50kg)
1 x 50kg (50kg)

Glad to see they're not overdoing it :)
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#60 Mogster

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 21:49

With that pretty awful climb rate I doubt you'd get the wheels off the ground with much more loaded…

Like the RE8 I'm looking forward to this flight model.
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#61 =Fifi=

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 22:19

I wish the RE8 get also only the 4X12.5 bomb load as well ;)
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#62 CountRohr

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 23:51

It's a very good choice :)
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#63 DidNotFinish

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:22

Store page lists bomb load variations:

4 x 12.5kg (50kg)
1 x 50kg (50kg)

Glad to see they're not overdoing it :)

That's very good news there. I will love to see videos of this crate. I admit (since I'm addicted) that I'll probably buy it and the W12 as I can.
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#64 CraigNT54

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 05:12

When I was a young boy one of my first plastic model planes was of a Roland CII Walfisch. It looked so cool with its stream-lined body and advanced wing struts. And the fact that the crew was above the wings and had little windows to look out below made it truly appear a little ahead of its time. I think it will be a real change in pace of the standard looking aircraft of that part of the war and will be a great rival to the RE-8!
Cheers and can't wait!! :D
- CraigNT54

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#65 J.j.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:48

Here is a great article about the Roland production and a little on fielding. It would be really cool to get some early squadron types like FFA and see them transition over time. I picture flying in FFA(A) 235 with only 4 planes and getting a flash pop up on the historical date explaining reorganization.

http://www.histomin....Roland C.II.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.histomin....m/HM Journal/HM … 20C.II.htm

Awesome link!
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#66 LukeFF

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:16

A new field mod: a wing-mounted fish! :mrgreen:

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#67 hq_Jorri

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:20

I have seen plastic frogs as pitot tube covers….but that is new!
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#68 SYN_Bandy

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:41

One of my favourite profile images, the Whale with scales!

Can't wait for the templates… :D

Can I claim dibs on this one???


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#69 smithcorp

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 13:00

Great choice - I've always been fascinated by this aircraft.
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#70 Feathered_IV

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 13:29

And curtains for the field mods too. :)
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#71 SYN_Vander

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 14:33

Can I claim dibs on this one???

Only after you have finished your cows! :D
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#72 1PL-Sahaj-1Esk

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 15:33

I heard and read it was an excellent diver. I vaguely remember those planes from RB1, the Dynamix team did quite a good job on the AI of those planes back then. I can partly recall … they flew high over the front and then dived like crazy for the targets and without being in a Spad or SE5a they were gone.

Iconic plane, a good choice and a must-have but lets hope that the 2seaters from the very beginning of aircombat will come soon.

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#73 Rocket_RM

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 17:09

Agreed. Really looking forward to the CIIa and I hope (like many others) that we get more early 2 seaters in the future.

Hopefully once the channel map is complete the devs can focus on churning out lots of new crates!
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#74 Mogster

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 17:30

I'd guess that the map and aircraft development are mostly separate. Physics coding seems to be the big time consumer in ROF development.
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#75 Fafnir6

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 23:13

A new field mod: a wing-mounted fish! :mrgreen:

THERE'S HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR THAT?! I was pretty jacked when the C.IIa was announced so I was showing pics it off to my lady wife on google a couple of nights ago and we came across pics of a model C.II with the fish-pennant. We had a good laugh about it…and now we see it's true!

If 777 Studios make this a field mod, I now have not only official permission from my wife to buy said field mods, but she has also stated that she will get her own RoF account and be my gunner in the Roland in MP!

Make it so 777 :D

Cheers,

Fafnir_6
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#76 LukeFF

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 01:34

It would be a funny thing to add as a sort of Easter Egg, but I doubt we'll see it.
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#77 Gadfly21

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 04:06

A new field mod: a wing-mounted fish! :mrgreen:

Shaddup and take my money!
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#78 J5_Vorlander

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:32

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#79 jeanba4

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 08:39

It is an interesting aircraft and I will certainly take it, but as a "campaign player" (carrer and PWCG), it does not fill the gap of "early 1917" french recon / bomber and this is quite a pity
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#80 Frankyboy

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:25

i would be not surprised if the next preorder would be the Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter - in 1916 a british Multipurpose plane (and singleseat bomber) and from 1917 on a french recon/bomber.
With the FE2b , i personaly see proplems with the Gunner AI programming ?!

With planes like BE2, Farman 40 (to name two allied bred and butter planes) and even an ALbatros C.I or .III i see not high sales for 777 - but perhaps (hopefully ;) ) i will get proved wrong :)
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