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#1 159th_Jester

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 13:45

Erm guys I may have missed the announcement….. But anyone else notice the new pre-order in the store…..??
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#2 thenorm

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 13:54

Yep, quite pleased with the next German machine. vvv
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#3 gavagai

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:11

I was hoping for a scout or a Rumpler C.IV. Oh well.
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#4 Feathered_IV

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:13

It's a good choice for me. I've been hoping for more early types.
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#5 Welshie

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:19

Pre-ordered and can't wait :)
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#6 Sylvis

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:24

Pre ordered it as well, have waited a long time for this. :D
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#7 Welshie

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:25

I think Your Sig gives it away :D :S!:
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#8 Dr.Zebra

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:28

yeay, that is pretty awesome… I just love that plane, and ever since I saw that model in the thread I was all "gimmegimmegimme"
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#9 Avimimus

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:34

I was hoping for a scout or a Rumpler C.IV. Oh well.

At least I may be able to prove my point to you about the competitiveness of early-war two-seaters…
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#10 kcole4001

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:51

It was a common opponent in RBII/3D, and should prove it's worth in RoF quite well.
Great field of view for the crew.
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#11 Catfish

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 14:56

What? where ?? a LFG Roland C.II ?? Are you kidding ??? :shock:

An older two-seater at last - YEAH !!! And a pretty one i might say, i have always loved the Roland "Walfisch" :)
I can foresee the landings will be pretty difficult :D
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#12 rolikiraly

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:02

Roland C.II ? Not my cup of tea (as it's a two-seater :evil: ). If they really wanted to choose something that includes my name it should be the D.VIa/b :(
But it seems many people will like this bird so no problem :S!:
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#13 redcoat22

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:05

Looks like we are finally getting the early war German machine gun!
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#14 Mogster

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:27

A nice opponent for the Nieuport 17.

It'll be interesting to see how historical reports of its evil handling compare with the in game version. I wonder if we'll get the roll hoop as a field mod :)
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#15 4./JG53_Wotan

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:51

Is August 1916 early war..?

Even so by Dec 1916 their were only around 64 in front line service. By mid-1917 most were pulled from front line duties. If it had to be a 2-seater I would rather have seen an Albatros C.VII but whatever…

Its a great looking plane and should be fun to fly.
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#16 gavagai

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:53

I was hoping for a scout or a Rumpler C.IV. Oh well.

At least I may be able to prove my point to you about the competitiveness of early-war two-seaters…

With an AI gunner? Or a human gunner who can continue to stand and fire through loops and barrel rolls? :P
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#17 Avimimus

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 15:56

Either. I don't think the C.II will be that good for loops or rolls…!

However, it may demonstrate the greater effectiveness of flexible guns early in the war (mainly because aircraft lacked the speed to extend away after firing - so they were in the kill zone longer).

Is August 1916 early war..?

Even so by Dec 1916 their were only around 64 in front line service. By mid-1917 most were pulled from front line duties. If it had to be a 2-seater I would rather have seen an Albatros C.VII but whatever…

Its a great looking plane and should be fun to fly.

I'd say so. The big turnover in aircraft happened in mid-1917.

You're right about it being rare: It made up about 1/18th of the two-seater force.

It will have high wing loading - it has smaller wings and a higher weight than the Halberstadt Cl.II - so you can expect similar handling. I have no idea about the effects of the airfoil shape.

It'll shine in top speed though (almost as fast as a D.II and faster than allied 1916 scouts).
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#18 NickM

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:09

Charismatic and interesting.

I'll buy it :)
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#19 FroggyCanuck

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:20

I've always had a soft spot for the Roland, in a « so ugly it's beautiful » kind of way! :)
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#20 Master

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:26

It'll shine in top speed though (almost as fast as a D.II and faster than allied 1916 scouts).

Except every mission it is on online will also have spads and se5s lol.
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#21 Manfred65

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:27

Gute Nachrichten - good news.
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#22 redcoat22

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:38

Is August 1916 early war..?

Depends on how you look at it.

Clearly August 1916 is Mid-war as far a World War I goes, but flight simmers often refer to 1916 as "early war" simply because the airwar really got going in 1916.

I really do hope they finally make the LMG14 for this plane. I was excited at first since the image in the store has the early gun but then saw the figure on the lower right and it shows LMG 14/17. Only time will tell.
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#23 CAFulcrum

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:38

Very interesting plane, I think they made a good choice and I hope they will consider some other early war 2 seaters (FE2, BE2, maybe a german 2-seater that isn't a super plane) to further flesh out the time period. I wonder how the CII will be flown; the high speed and rear gun seem to suggest an early war brisfit, but I don't know about turning ability of the plane so it may end up being more like a hit and run spad. Either way I'm looking forward to its release!
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#24 realCallahan

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 16:40

Hm, I`m sure it`ll take much time for it, so I set it to "priority" in the Gift List.
I really hoped this plane will come, it`s just AWESOME!!!
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#25 arjisme

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 18:34

I wonder how the CII will be flown; the high speed and rear gun seem to suggest an early war brisfit, but I don't know about turning ability of the plane so it may end up being
more like a hit and run spad.
Maybe as an observer? :x
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#26 4./JG53_Wotan

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 20:40

Is August 1916 early war..?

Depends on how you look at it.

Clearly August 1916 is Mid-war as far a World War I goes, but flight simmers often refer to 1916 as "early war" simply because the airwar really got going in 1916.

I really do hope they finally make the LMG14 for this plane. I was excited at first since the image in the store has the early gun but then saw the figure on the lower right and it shows LMG 14/17. Only time will tell.

The LFG Roland C.IIa served during the same time period as the DFW CV and Halberstadt CL.II albeit in far fewer numbers. The point being is the LFG Roland C.IIa is no more "early war" then the other two central 2-seaters already in the game.

As for the LMG 14 both the DFW CV and Halberstadt CL.II could have been modeled with those MGs but they weren't. Its not so clear the LMG 14 will be modeled for the LFG Roland C.IIa. On the store page the armament is listed as:

1 х LMG 14/17 Parabellum 7,92mm

just like it is for the DFW CV and Halberstadt CL.II…

Wotan
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#27 gavagai

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 20:46

So, who actually believes that the Roland C.II and the Albatros D.II had the same airspeed?
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#28 redcoat22

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 20:55

Is August 1916 early war..?

Depends on how you look at it.

Clearly August 1916 is Mid-war as far a World War I goes, but flight simmers often refer to 1916 as "early war" simply because the airwar really got going in 1916.

I really do hope they finally make the LMG14 for this plane. I was excited at first since the image in the store has the early gun but then saw the figure on the lower right and it shows LMG 14/17. Only time will tell.

The LFG Roland C.IIa served during the same time period as the DFW CV and Halberstadt CL.II albeit in far fewer numbers. The point being is the LFG Roland C.IIa is no more "early war" then the other two central 2-seaters already in the game.

As for the LMG 14 both the DFW CV and Halberstadt CL.II could have been modeled with those MGs but they weren't. Its not so clear the LMG 14 will be modeled for the LFG Roland C.IIa. On the store page the armament is listed as:

1 х LMG 14/17 Parabellum 7,92mm

just like it is for the DFW CV and Halberstadt CL.II…

Wotan

Isn't that exactly what I said? The Roland image in the store IS the LMG 14 but the data shows LMG 14/17. I don't understand the point you are making here by rewording the same thought.

Second, you said "is August 1916 early?". I was only responding to that comment.

You are correct, the Roland we are getting is not nearly the early war plane that some people are thinking. Even the ROF store lists it as "1917".
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#29 hq_Jorri

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 21:03

I think Albert Ball shot down more Rolands than any other plane :)

So it's certainly possible to have a career in ROF where this plane plays a dominant role in its time frame!
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#30 4./JG53_Wotan

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 21:11

Isn't that exactly what I said?

Your first post was:

Looks like we are finally getting the early war German machine gun!

and in the post I quoted you wrote:

I really do hope they finally make the LMG14 for this plane.

My reply to that, in short, was there is no reason for hope - if they wanted to do an LMG 14 they could have done that for the DFW or Halberstadt. That is not a restatement of anything you said…

Second, you said "is August 1916 early?". I was only responding to that comment.

You are correct, the Roland we are getting is not nearly the early war plane that some people are thinking. Even the ROF store lists it as "1917".

Most of the replies in this thread include some form of, "I am happy to get an early war 2-seater" - thus my question. August 1918 is not early war even in regards to the air war. There are plenty of decent 1915 and early 1916 central 2-seaters - most would not fit into the current plane set but that is another topic.

The earliest the LFG Roland C.IIa entered service was August 1916 and that was only a small handful. There were only 64 by December 1916 and peak service numbers would not have been until early 1917.

That certainly is not early war - air or other wise.

Anyway, we will see what it is once it gets released.

Wotan
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#31 Finkeren

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 21:50

I'm happy with the choice TBH. There are lots of early/mid-war German two-seaters that were more prominent, effective and served for a longer time (I'd personally favor an Alatros C.III) but the Roland is just such a charismatic and iconic plane that has apeal to both hard core and "casual" WW1 aviation enthusiasts.

I know I'm gonna preorder for sure.
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#32 Spag

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 22:33

Hello 159th_Jester,
Thanks for the tip. I too missed any blurp about the Roland C11a being available.
Have it now though, I also got the Field Mods and Weapon upgrades for the W12 while I was there.
Cheers,
Spag. :)
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Bite off more than you can chew.

Then chew like Hell ! ! !


#33 CAFulcrum

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 23:16

Can we just agree it isn't a late war plane? Right now with the career starting mid-1916 it at least fills up that 'early' era.

TBH I always thought of early air war being the 1915-late 1916 with eindecker/BE2, then Nieuports and early albatros; mid war being early 1917 to fall 1917 with introduction of the SPAD7, Camel, Alb DIII/DVa, Pfalz DIIIa, etc. and not arriving at late war until spring 1918 with the introduction of the DVII and higher performance entente planes (S13, Dolphin, etc.)
I know that's rough and not exact, but I don't think there are any clear definitions and just to me it does seem appropriate to classify it as a early-mid war plane (going out of competitiveness mid 1917) along with the nieuports, strutter and so forth.
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#34 Dardrago1

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 23:44

It's a good choice for me. I've been hoping for more early types.
Halberstadt D.II :D
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#35 Avimimus

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 23:58

So, who actually believes that the Roland C.II and the Albatros D.II had the same airspeed?

Shouldn't the Roland be 10 kph slower on the deck?
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#36 Feathered_IV

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 00:44

It's a good choice for me. I've been hoping for more early types.
Halberstadt D.II :D

That too! Although, only after more allied two seater "prey" gets added. Otherwise sales might be a bit poor.
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#37 =Fifi=

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 00:52

Roland CII will be a great addition to the ROF world and plane set.
Will reminds me the old RB3D days!
Furthermore, a great 2 seater opponent for any N11 N17 career, not to say many hours coming to fly it :D
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#38 ParachuteProne

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 00:57

Glad to see the ROL CII coming to ROF ! :)
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#39 NewGuy_

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:07

Roland CII will be a great addition to the ROF world and plane set.
Will reminds me the old RB3D days!
Furthermore, a great 2 seater opponent for any N11 N17 career, not to say many hours coming to fly it :D

+1 :S!: MJ
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Something something SPAD. Something something then dive away. 


#40 LukeFF

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:15

Can we just simply agree that the C.IIa will nicely fill in a gap in the time frame career mode simulates? Sheesh, I swear some of you want to argue just for the sake of arguing.
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