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#1 Panthercules

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 04:19

Mea culpa :oops:

Unfortunately, I stumbled upon some additional reference materials (largely thanks to Imp) a little too late in the testing/release cycle for this latest release, and I had already completed some of the HCL2 skins for the official pack based on some incomplete research, and it was too late to get the corrected versions into this release.

So, here are some corrected versions for the following skins:

Schlasta 26 No.6, Unknown Pilot:
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Schlasta 26 No.4, Unknown Pilot:
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Schlasta 27 No.2, Unknown Pilot:
(I found an old post by DSA on the Aerodrome forums indicating that this aircraft was actually finished in the early Halberstadt scheme of bottom-lozenge-on-top and CDL on bottom, so I've redone it in that fashion):

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Pearson/Colslaw has posted a correction to the information in his CD (which I used for the following skin) indicating that the following aircraft was not with Schlasta 21 but actually with Schlasta 24b, so I've tweaked the file names and .txt file to correct that so it can be fixed in the next release (updated to reflect Pearson's latest information that the stripe and '5' were blue):

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Based on some new information and an updated profile provided by Pearson/Colslaw, I have also redone another skin I had done for the Official pack based on an earlier Pearson profile:

Schlasta 23, No. 4:

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I also had some others that were almost ready that didn't quite make the cut-off, so here are a couple more:

Schlasta 26 No.3, Schwarze/Schumm:
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Schlasta 26 Standard - Early:
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And, at the request of Dutch2, and thanks to some great information generously provided by Pearson/Colslaw, I have also added BRÜNHILDE's "sister" THEA. This aircraft, Serial No. unknown, was flown by an unknown pilot with Schlasta 27, and is depicted here as displaying standard Jasta 27 markings of black and white stripes on the tail and around the fuselage. The aircraft also displayed "THEA" and a white "5" on the fuselage, and Balkenkreuze typical of the period after April 1918. This aircraft appeared in the background of a photograph of another Schlasta 27 aircraft - No.2 "BRÜNHILDE", possibly taken at Boucheneuil airfield in May 1918. Based on a profile by DSA, it appears that, unlike her sister "BRÜNHILDE", this aircraft may have been finished in the later style with darker lozenge fabric above and lighter lozenge fabric below. Based upon the photograph, it appears that the areas around the Balkenkreuze, which had probably previously been white backgrounds for the earlier Iron Cross markings, had perhaps been scrubbed off rather than over-painted, so this aircraft has been depicted in that fashion.

(updated to fix nose camo glitch):
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Download (updated for fixes noted in thread below): http://www.mediafire...ent_Pack_v9.zip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire.../file/zgoe5b08c … ack_v9.zip


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#2 =III=Flav

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:43

I love them, a definite yes.
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#3 Dutch2

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:54

They will overwrite the old one???
Still miss the "Thea" the sister of Bunhilde BTW!!
http://wwiaviation.b...lii-part-2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://wwiaviation.b...pot.com/2011/12 … art-2.html
http://polish-made.c...ntarz-1052.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://polish-made.c...ntarz-1052.html
There is more on the aerodrome forum, but it seems it is hacked.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:57

Hey panther, the fuselage camo colours should be imitating the wing lozenge which does not seem to be the case with Schlasta 26 No.3, Schwarze/Schumm. Great work otherwise :)
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#5 Panthercules

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 15:53

Hey panther, the fuselage camo colours should be imitating the wing lozenge which does not seem to be the case with Schlasta 26 No.3, Schwarze/Schumm. Great work otherwise :)

Imp - I thought about doing that, but then I wondered whether they really would have changed the way they painted the fuselage just because they temporarily ran short of the normal top-surface lozenge fabric and had to substitute the bottom lozenge fabric, or whether they would have done the fuselage the normal way (like on an assembly line where they were doing all the fuselages the same way) and then just done the wings/tail sections differently when they realized they were going to be short of the right fabric.

The latter approach seemed more likely to me, so I did the skin that way, but I don't have any hard evidence either way. Do you know for sure if they did change the way they painted the fuselage on the ones where they had to use the "wrong" fabric?
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#6 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:19

The bright pattern was used on the initial batch of Cl.IIs and the DFW they made before that, so if anything they would've changed it for the darker pattern :)
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#7 Panthercules

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:21

The bright pattern was used on the initial batch of Cl.IIs and the DFW they made before that, so if anything they would've changed it for the darker pattern :)

OK - good to know. I'll change the fuselage coloring on this one to base it on the lighter fabric then - probably be ready later this weekend with any luck.

Thanks for the feedback.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 17:36

OK - how's this?

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 17:40

I really like them, good work as always!

Will you also make some Schlasta 26b skins for the 200hp version?
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 17:45

I really like them, good work as always!

Will you also make some Schlasta 26b skins for the 200hp version?

Yes - in the absence of any specific information about which engine type any given aircraft had, I figure I'll make 200hp versions for any skin that is using the later style crosses (Balkenkreuze), since those markings would have come into use sometime after March 1918, about the same time the 200hp versions become available.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:13

Pearson/Colslaw has posted a correction to the information in his CD (which I used for the following skin) indicating that the following aircraft was not with Schlasta 21 but actually with Schlasta 24b, so I've tweaked the file names and .txt file to correct that so it can be fixed in the next release:

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First post has been updated to include the fixes noted above.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 04:16

As always, as soon as you publish, you find that little piece that changes everything. . ..

Two more small corrections to that profile. . the thin band in front of the tail should be blue not yellow, and the individual aircraft number should also be blue. I am on the wrong computer at the moment, but it MAY also have bands on the wings.

Panther, I'm on my way out for the evening, but I'll check the updated image on my laptop and make a zip for you of all the Halberstadts and get that out tomorrow morning
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:45

As always, as soon as you publish, you find that little piece that changes everything. . ..

Two more small corrections to that profile. . the thin band in front of the tail should be blue not yellow, and the individual aircraft number should also be blue. I am on the wrong computer at the moment, but it MAY also have bands on the wings.

Panther, I'm on my way out for the evening, but I'll check the updated image on my laptop and make a zip for you of all the Halberstadts and get that out tomorrow morning


Excellent - looking forward to getting that whenever you have a chance. Thanks so much for sharing!
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:30

Still miss the "Thea" the sister of Bunhilde BTW!!
http://wwiaviation.b...lii-part-2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://wwiaviation.b...pot.com/2011/12 … art-2.html
http://polish-made.c...ntarz-1052.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://polish-made.c...ntarz-1052.html
There is more on the aerodrome forum, but it seems it is hacked.
Here a link that uses al the info on Cl2 from the aerodrome forum, sroll down below in that forum.
http://www.theaerodr...-what-unit.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theaerodr...com/forum/peopl … -unit.html

any "Thea" CL2 in the pipeline???
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:53

Still miss the "Thea" the sister of Bunhilde BTW!!
http://wwiaviation.b...lii-part-2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://wwiaviation.b...pot.com/2011/12 … art-2.html
http://polish-made.c...ntarz-1052.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://polish-made.c...ntarz-1052.html
There is more on the aerodrome forum, but it seems it is hacked.
Here a link that uses al the info on Cl2 from the aerodrome forum, sroll down below in that forum.
http://www.theaerodr...-what-unit.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theaerodr...com/forum/peopl … -unit.html

any "Thea" CL2 in the pipeline???


Yep - as soon as I can sort through the new info I've found about "Brunhilde" and finish this revised version (still have some more work to do on it as it turns out), I plan to do her sister "Thea" as well.

Thanks for the links - they lead to some interesting info indeed.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:32

Yes. I like these skins because the actual skins (ones with the flames) got too bright colours… as a new chineese plastic toy.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:54

OK - how's this?

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New version:
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 16:18

Yes. I like these skins because the actual skins (ones with the flames) got too bright colours… as a new chineese plastic toy.

Not sure what you mean by this - I did not change anything about the red flame markings on these updated/corrected skins (other than to add the part on the underside, based on a profile I found after the original versions were done).
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 19:22

Schlasta 27 No.2, Unknown Pilot:

Thanks to Dutch2's prodding about "Thea", I found an old post by DSA on the Aerodrome forums indicating that this aircraft ("Brünhilde") was actually finished in the early Halberstadt scheme of bottom-lozenge-on-top and CDL on bottom, so I've redone it in that fashion:

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The first post has been updated accordingly.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 20:07

As a reward the Thea. :D
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#21 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 20:40

Yep Schusta 27b were one of the first to receive Cl.II so they probably were from the first batch.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 00:09

As a reward the Thea. :D

:) As soon as I can find a picture of it - still gathering research materials.
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#23 Colslaw

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:20

I still need to do Thea as well as a skull marked one from Schlasta 6
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:03

As always, as soon as you publish, you find that little piece that changes everything. . ..

Two more small corrections to that profile. . the thin band in front of the tail should be blue not yellow, and the individual aircraft number should also be blue. I am on the wrong computer at the moment, but it MAY also have bands on the wings.

Panther, I'm on my way out for the evening, but I'll check the updated image on my laptop and make a zip for you of all the Halberstadts and get that out tomorrow morning


Thanks - just saw that you e-mailed me those materials. It's too late to deal with them tonight, but I'll get some more updates done tomorrow night after work. Some nice looking stuff in that package - thanks a bunch!
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 14:43

First post updated to reflect the fix to Schlasta 24 No.5 to make the stripe and '5' blue.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 14:47

Btw, something else: most if not all Cl.IIs were made before March or April 1918 when production was changed in favour of the CL.IV, going by memory. So consequently they were all delivered with the rounded "iron cross" rather than the Balkenkreuz, and you can see a layer of paint covering the old markings on many many pictures depicting Cl.IIs from mid 1918.

Balkenkreuze, especially the narrow kind, without any overpaint around them on a Cl.II are very very unlikely.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:57

Thanks Imp - I'll take a look at the ones with the Balkenkreuze and tweak those accordingly when I get a chance, probably later this week.

In the meantime, I have updated the first post with another re-done skin, based on some new info and an updated profile provided by Pearson:

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:03

yes,
thank you for alls the beautifuls skins you made :shock:

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#29 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:18

Really nice, great job :)
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 14:47

As a reward the Thea. :D

:) As soon as I can find a picture of it - still gathering research materials.


Here's a nice pic, a little model of the old girl!

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#31 Panthercules

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 16:40

As a reward the Thea. :D

:) As soon as I can find a picture of it - still gathering research materials.


Here's a nice pic, a little model of the old girl!

Cool - nice looking model - thanks for the pic.

What would be great, though, would be to find the photo(s) that model might have been based on. I tried searching Google for Halberstadt pictures trying to find one of Thea, but now I'm getting a bunch of screenshots of my own RoF skins showing up in the results :lol: :lol:
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 16:48

Thea can be seen in the background of one of the shots of Brunhilde.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 18:03

Try looking at this model, a little research may produce more pics though.
It comes with three sets of decals for ''Brunhilde, Thea and Anni''..

http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=6064
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 18:31

Try looking at this model, a little research may produce more pics though.
It comes with three sets of decals for ''Brunhilde, Thea and Anni''..

http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=6064

Looks like there's a good picture of Thea in one of the books shown in one of the pics on that model site - unfortunately it's kinda hard to see and I can't really tell what book that picture was taken from. I hope I can find that photo somewhere I can see it more clearly.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 20:08

Anni also has a 'dog of war' on the nose, but I have yet to see a photo of it, only DSA'a drawing in Schlachtflieger. Wait a sec. . I just took another look at DSA's drawing and I wonder if the Schusta CL.II I sent you with the cross fields and white 1 is in fact ANNI. If it is, I need to look even closer at the photo of it that I used.

Edit: nope, not the same aircraft. The chevron is aft of the cross on the one I sent and there is no name nor animal painted on the nose. If I get inspired later tonight perhaps I'll do profiles of ANNI and Thea - can also do a CL.IV Brunhilde

I found a full page shot of Thea that I just sent to you. It is actually TWO full pages of Brunhilde and Thea published in Warplanes and Airbattles of WWI. I still can't get into my @#$%^&*( FTP so pleae go ahead and post the photo when you get it
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 20:18

Anni also has a 'dog of war' on the nose, but I have yet to see a photo of it, only DSA'a drawing. Wait a sec. . I just took another look at DSA's drawing and I wonder if the Schusta CL.II I sent you with the cross fields and white 1 is in fact ANNI. If it is, I need to look even closer at the photo of it that I used.

Edit: nope, not the same aircraft. THe chevron is aft of the cross on the one I sent and there is no name nor animal painted on the nose

I did just find a full page shot of Thea that I will scan and send to you. It is actually TWO full pages of Brunhilde and Thea published in Warplanes and Airbattles of WWI. If I can recall my ftp password, I'll upload it to my site and then add it here as well

One of the profiles I found online while searching for Thea does show ANNI as having the same kind of cross fields and white 1 as the one you sent me, though some details are different (the white chevron is forward of the cross - same location as Brunhilde/Thea, but the "1" is between the chevron and the cross, presumably because the war dog is forward where the number would usually be.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 03:14

"THEA" has been added to the first post - thanks especially to Pearson/Colslaw for sharing some great info on this bird:

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Here is a photo Colslaw asked me to post here:

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:30

Was number 4 in the background 'Anni'
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#39 Colslaw

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 09:36

As of October/November 1917 Halberstadt No.1 was named Anni, and flown by Uffz Fridolin Redenbach and Oblt Sigmund Kreitmair (OC of Schusta/Schlasta 27b). They had flown Halberstadts marked No.1 since September 1917, so chances are pretty good that No.4 was not Anni.

Anyone with the 1/48 Mirage kit can see their intrepretation of the markings on Anni, Brunhilde and Thea. My work today was doing profiles of ANNI in two alternate patterns (or possibly at two different dates) and I just finished Thea as well. The fun now is to find what names aircraft 3,4 and 6 carried.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 04:58

Turns out I had goofed on the camo I copied to use for "Thea" (as pointed out in the 200hp version thread), so I've updated the first post with the fix:

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