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#81 Dughor

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 08:24

r: should be "radius" so the diameter of a full 360 is 120m for the N.17 and 150m for the D.V -> N.17 turns inside of D.V

v maneuvre: 36 meter per second - so must be a speed somehow -> both planes flying same speed

Cy man: don't know

G man: G-load 2.4G and 2.0G
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#82 =Fifi=

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 09:08

Thanks Dughor for those precisions :S!:
Seems you have decoded big part of it.

Heu…could you guys stay close to N17 please? We know other planes needs to be fine tuned, but each thing at a time imo :D
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#83 gavagai

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 11:26

Chill31 throws his hands up in frustration and the whole thread falls to pieces! :lol:
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#84 =Fifi=

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 23:57

What could make the plane roll rate so bad on ROF N17?
Straight level in N11, banking stick left then right react ok.
Same way in N17, it react like chewing gum…
Full speed or not is the same :(
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#85 1PL-Sahaj-1Esk

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 01:12

keep it alive Fifi, keep it alive ;)

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#86 gavagai

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 02:15

I like what someone said on the check 6 forum. The RoF N17 rolls like a cargo plane. :lol:
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#87 =Fifi=

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 02:21

Hey, you can read french with ease! :)

Nevertheless, i would love to hear some news from An or other dev, just to know if something could be wrong, or if they will have a look at it, later on at least.
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#88 Mogster

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 20:43

Is the NP17 the next plane to be looked at or are we just hoping?

As Fifi says it would be nice to have a little dev input.
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#89 Grizz10

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 22:52

I thank it's mostly whichful thanking.They fix what they fix and we hope for the best.
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#90 Josh_Echo

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 23:01

Pretty sure I saw Petrovich mention that they were planning on looking at '17 next.
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#91 gavagai

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 01:18

Pretty sure I saw Petrovich mention that they were planning on looking at '17 next.

Where? In the beta forum? It wasn't in this thread that he said that. All he said was that he hadn't gotten around to reading this thread because of his work on the RE8.
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#92 =Fifi=

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 02:37

No, not in beta forum, here: http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=317466#p317466

Thank you for cooperation, and let's focus to the Nie.17 right now, may be it helps us much?.. (but guys… don't ask me "when?" )

:P

@ Piecost, any datas found for N17?? :?
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#93 Dughor

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 12:47

Both attachements from
"Windsock Nieuport Fighters Datafile Special"

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#94 Dughor

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 13:00

Source: Janes Fighting Aircraft of World War I (issued 1919)

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#95 Mogster

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 18:10

No, not in beta forum, here: http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=317466#p317466

Thank you for cooperation, and let's focus to the Nie.17 right now, may be it helps us much?.. (but guys… don't ask me "when?" )

:P

@ Piecost, any datas found for N17?? :?

This is going to be much more difficult than the SE5a re-work. There seems to be hardly any data available. The SE5a stuff ran to pages.
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#96 FlyingShark

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 20:11

How come there's so few data available for the N17? It was a widely used plane during WWI if I'm not mistaken.

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#97 MattM

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 20:19

There's little data on French and German WW1 planes in general. I guess WW2 had something to do with that.
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#98 =Fifi=

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 22:03

If i was in france or europe, i'll take time to visit any museum or places where i could find some N17 infos/datas. At least make some search other than web…
But i'm too far :(
Only datas here, are about old wooden canoes :lol:
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#99 gavagai

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 22:04

I see that you never received a response at the check 6 forum. Maybe you should send that guy a pm.
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#100 =Fifi=

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:13

Maybe you should send that guy a pm.

Done.
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#101 Kwiatek

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 16:24

Some nice fragment video about N11.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"> … re=related

Nice flying ability from 2:00.
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#102 Chill31

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 00:34

The new N17 should perform similarly. I'm very pleased with 90% of the changes…Not the Alb fodder it used to be.
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#103 Millst0ne

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 00:43

N17 has been revised. In testing.

Jason

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#104 JimmyBlonde

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 00:44

Very interesting. I can't wait to see what they come up with on the poor little brute.
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#105 =Fifi=

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 00:49

N17 has been revised. In testing.

Jason

Where did you get that!!!! :shock: :o :D :x

Ok, i found it!! Can't believe this news :o
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#106 Chill31

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 01:34

Yep, if you dont own it, go buy it because it flies very well and is competent in combat against the Albs. I would expect the early war (esp with RE8) to really blossom with the N17 FM release.

They did many good things with the FM. Most obvious will be roll rate and speed, though it is still a slow airplane.
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#107 =Fifi=

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 01:39

Many thanks for the head up Chill :D
My biggest complain was its roll rate. I'm very very happy they improved it. It's gonna match closer pilots testimonies :D

I assume it's not a fast plane, but it's good they tuned its speed too, to make real difference vs N11.

Can't wait to try all this :!:
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#108 Feathered_IV

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 01:39

Can ne find yon original post. Is it planned for the next update?
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#109 W1ndy

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 02:12

Yep, if you dont own it, go buy it because it flies very well and is competent in combat against the Albs. I would expect the early war (esp with RE8) to really blossom with the N17 FM release.

They did many good things with the FM. Most obvious will be roll rate and speed, though it is still a slow airplane.

It's superb news. I'm keen to see how it stacks up against the DII with good pilots in the N17 because the DII seems to be very lethal in this time frame.
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#110 gavagai

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 04:12

The new N17 should perform similarly. I'm very pleased with 90% of the changes…Not the Alb fodder it used to be.

Alright, since I'm "that guy," what's the 10%?

Faster, a better roll rate, what's not to like? :x

I'm keen to see how it stacks up against the DII with good pilots in the N17 because the DII seems to be very lethal in this time frame.

The D.II is a slow-speed helicopter. Don't expect the N17 to outmaneuver it, yet.
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#111 Chill31

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 09:24

I'll hold on to the numbers for a little wile longer because I think they might be subject to very small changes that even the 10% I dont like could go away. Even if it doesnt though, N17 flyers will grow to love it. One number that wont change I'm sure is the 165kmh speed.

It will easily do battle with teh Alb series, BUT you will have to be careful. Once youre in, youre in it to win cause theres still no running away. It is a worthy airplane to copy (from a German point of view) and a good one to be replaced by the Pup, so I think it is fitting into its historical role for WWI. Final product TBD, but very promising as is.
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#112 1PL-Sahaj-1Esk

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 12:21

very good news, indeed, it sounds like we will get a new plane … new but old good N17 back to life :)
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#113 gavagai

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 13:36

I'll hold on to the numbers for a little wile longer because I think they might be subject to very small changes that even the 10% I dont like could go away.

So long as the ailerons no longer rip off from a sneeze, we'll be happy campers. There's no mention anywhere of the N17 having weak ailerons or weak upper wing tips.

I might even overlook, literally, the strange position of the pilot's head and gunsight if I like everything else.
;)

Sesquiplane ailerons and wing toughness
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#114 =IRFC=AirBiscuit

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 13:52

+1, one of my biggest issues with the N17 is that it loses parts at 140mph, making it impossible to leverage it's single somewhat useful characteristic (climb).
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#115 An.Petrovich

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 15:00

Hi guys,
some words about Newport 17 :)

Here have been done re-tuning the most of characteristics, like S.E.Va: aerodynamic performances, control and stability, engine and airscrew performances, DM, etc… So, now the airplane is quite close to known sources (speed, climb) and it's a really pleasure for me to fly by new Nieuport 17: the airplane very good controled, can fly at low airspeed (60-70 km/h), it has very short takeoff distance (about 50m), and good maneuver. And of course it has more strong wings and ailerons now. I can do 230-240km/h in dive w/o overclocking RPM at full throttle, but higher airspeed may be dangerous for low wings.

At pics below you can see speed and climb the new Nieuport 17 (coming in v1.022) against curent Nie.17 (in v.1.021b) and known sources. The airplane in RoF is a bit faster at altitude 4000m, but worse climbing up to 5000m against Source #4 (Davilla, Soltan - «French Aircraft of the First World War», Nieuport 17, 110-hp Le Rhone 9Ja, built by Dux). I think here is a some mistake in the source, because in spite of these contradiction for the high altitude more than 4000m (faster speed but slowly climb) our Nie.17 has right celling: 5350m against 5300 (17400ft) wich printed in many sources.

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Now, tne Nie.17 is under beta test, and you will get it very soon.
Sincerely,
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#116 1PL-Sahaj-1Esk

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 15:12

thx Petrovich,

keep on doing those revisions, dont underestimate their importance for the sim and community etc. In order to express my gratitude I will buy the "new" revised N17 as a gift for someone.

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#117 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 15:20

The new N17 is a real delight to fly indeed, buy now before they are all gone :D
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#118 Greywing2

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 15:50

What is a pleasant surprise for me is that they decided to do complete revision of FMs (and DMs) not only fixing known bugs in FM (roll rate in N17s case). Since only Petrovich is on this it takes time. Well decision mate. Congrats and thanks for the hard work.
Ofcourse would be cool to test all the new planes more deeply to release them with less "innacuracies" in FM. One example is Brisfit which is way off according to the original docs.
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#119 FlyingShark

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 16:40

I think the same thing as Tvrdi.

Well done, An Petro, thank you for your hard work.

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#120 ThomasH

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 17:31

Great news :-)
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