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#1 =FB=VikS

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 18:30

Airfields location and dates, planes types used by dates, and any kind of short squadron history for description. Skins used by dates woud be good too.
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#2 Dutch2

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 19:59

I have both Ospray books, how do you intent to manage the Bertol swap?
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#3 Zoring

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:30

Thanks Viks, to get things started here is a list of Jasta 18's movements and airfields. I will flesh this out, also Dutch2 can you cross-check my dates and possibly add their movements after they become Jasta 15? I will also try to find out what fighters they had.

Sources are Jasta 18 by Greg Van Wyngarden and The Aerodrome.

Fighters By Date:

Pre-February - ? From all accounts the squadron participated in no-combat at this point, perhaps with a few older types for orientation purposes

February 1917 - Ablatros D.III (Johanistal)

Late June 1917 - Albatros D.III (OAW)

21st June 1917 - Albatros D.V

October 1917 - Pfalz D.III

February 1918 - Pfalz D.IIIa

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Now Jasta 15

6th April 1918 - JGII receives 9 Siemens-Shuckart D.III

18th May 1918 - JGII receives 26 Siemens-Shuckart D.III and 1 D.IV

~25/26 May 1918 - SS D. Fighters returned to factory due to mechanical problems (this apparently leaves Jastas 12 and 19 without fighters until some worn DR.1's are returned to them)

End May 1918 - Fokker D.VII

June 28 1918 - 6x Fokker D.VII w/185hp BMW IIIa engine

A photo exists of Jasta 15 operating 1 Halberstadt Cl.II before the arrival of the Fokker D.VII

Jasta 18 'Raben'

March 1918 - Mix of Albatros D.V and Pfalz D.III/D.IIIa

March 1918 - 1x Fokker DR.I

End May/Early April - Fokker D.VII


Jasta 18 Airfields

30 October 1916 - Squadron Officially formed.

December 1916 - Squadron makes orientation flights at it's large well equipped airfield at Halluein this airfield has four very large wooden hangers.

16th June 1917 - Transfer to Marckebeeke aerodrome

2 July 1917 - Transfer to Harlebeke

August 1917 - Berthold takes command of Jasta 18 (they were all painted Blue at longest 2 weeks later as a RFC Pilot reported tangling with the blue and red fighters)

8 September 1917 - Jasta 24 moves to Harlebeke to share the airfield with 18

24th November 1917 - Transfer to Houplin

28th November 1917 - Transfer to Avelin

30th November 1917 - Transfer to Jasta 5 Airfield at Boistrancourt/Carnieres

Mid-December 1917 - Transfer to Avelin

March 19-20 1918 - Jasta 18 becomes Jasta 15. (According to Walther Kleffel a J18 pilot, Berthold swapped the personal without permission to the confusion and annoyance of high command the day before Operation Michael)



Jasta 18, previously Jasta 15 commanded by Ltn d R. Raben then move to an Aerodrome at Bruille and Jasta 18 under the auspice of Jagdgeschwader II remain commanded by Berthold.



Former Jasta 18 now 15 Airfields, Combined with Jagdgeschwader II comprising Jasta 12, 13, 15, 19.



19/20th March 1918 - Transfer to Guise

28th March 1918 - Due to success of Operation Michael transfer to former British airfield at Baltare near Roye.

13th April 1918 - Transfer to Bonneuil Ferme

21st April 1918 - Transfer to Les Mesnil near Nelse

12th-14th July 1918 - Transfer to Leffincourt

24th July 1918 - Transfer to Chéry-les-Pouilly

18th August 1918 - Transfer to Foreste North of Ham, Jasta 12-19 remain at C-l-P

26th August 1918 - Transfer to to Fonfomme-Fontaine-Notre Dame JG II now reunited

26th August 1918 - Transfer to Neuflize Aerodrome on same day as arrival in FFND

2nd Septembeer 1918 - Transfer to Tichémont (Jasta 12 and 13 move to nearby Giraumont)

28th September 1918 - Transfer to Stenay (Jasta 12 and 13 transfter to Charmois)

1st November 1918 - Transfer to Carignan (Jasta 12 and 13 had made this move on the 17th October)

Jasta 18 - "Staffel Raben"

~Previously Jasta 15 (already in-game)

20th March 1918 - Transfer to Bruille east of Douai

8th April 1918 - Transfer to Avelin

12th April 1918 - Transfer to Faches near Lille

End April 1918 - Transfer to Lomme west of Lille

14th June 1918 - Transfer to Montingen (Montoy) east of Metz (i believe this is off our current ROF map)


In regards to the Berthold swap I have this idea:

In-game the 20th March 1918 Jasta 15 gets re-named Jasta 18 and Jasta 18 gets re-named Jasta 15, both squadrons transfer aerodromes and bing! Done. (I believe we have precedent with RNAS 8 squadron being renamed?)

Jasta 18 then has to get the Red/White 'Staffel Raben' colours as their default. Then it's all done neat and tidy.

Perhaps there can also be a message to the effect with a little historical blurb about the Berthold Transfer.

Aces/Pilots of Jasta 18; I will add to this list as well as the dates the pilots were in the squad/transferred/killed, these ones also have skins that I made and are in Community Skinpack 8.

When I made the Jasta 18 skinpacks I wanted to ensure that all of the default skins in-game seemed to have come from the same pot of paint rather than having different tones, so I have also included the new default skins i made in this list, these were well researched the original Jasta 18 default for example the red nose didn't extend nearly far enough backwards. Updated now with the file info. I have included all the skisn i did including the unknown pilots for completeness.

Jasta 18, Pre-Berthold Swap

Oblt Rudolf Berthold, 44, Jasta 18 CO August 1917 - 20 March 1918, CO Jagdgruppe II.
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Note: This plane is given as a DIII in the Osprey book, but research from the Aerodrome photo including a new unseen photo proves it to be a D.IIIa, it seems that Berthold preferred the Pfalz over the Albatros, in squadron line ups his D.III is seen with the Albatros fighters. He also flew the Pfalz whilst commanding JGII
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Oblt Ernst Wilhelm Turck, 1, Jasta 18 September 1917
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Oblt Harald Auffarth, 29, Jasta 18 September 1917 - ~ Early November Jasta 29
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Ltn Oliver von Beaulieu-Marconnay, 25/26, December 1 1917 - Jasta 15 March 1918 - Jasta 19 September 1917, Died of Wounds Oct 26, 1918.
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Ltn der Reserve Josef Veltjens, 35 Jasta 18 September 1917 - March 1918 Jasta 15, August 1918 CO Jasta 15
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Ltn der Reserve Paul Strähle, 15, Jasta 18 27th October 1917 - 1 January 1918, CO Jasta 57.
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Ltn Otto Schober, 1, (pre-berthold) Jasta 18 June 1917 - 26 October 1917 KIA.
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Ltn der Reserve Arthur Rahn, 6, Jastas 18 ~Early 1917, Jasta 19 - October 2 Jasta 18 - March 1918 Jasta 15 - April 1918 Jasta 19
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Ltn Johannes Klein, 16 Jasta 18 August 1917 - March 1918 Jasta 15
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Ltn Walter Dingel, 2 Jasta 18, September 1917 - March 1918 Jasta 15
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Ltn Burckhard von Buttlar, 0 Jasta 18, 15 Jan 1918 - March 1918 Jasta 15
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Ltn Walther Kleffel, 1 Jasta 18, 11 September 1917 - March 1918 Jasta 15
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Gefr Max Hitschler, 0 December 1917 - Late January 1918 Jasta 57
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The Skinpack also contains a few new Default/Unknown pilot skins. Jasta 18 when it got the Berthold colours seems to have mostly had them painted with the wings blue as in this skin:

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However certain known pilots also had Camoflague and Lozenge winged aircraft, so it is safe to assume that some of the unknown pilots also operated a mix Is it possible to have 2 or more default skins that randomly are applied for variety?:

Albaros D.V Lozenge Camo
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Albatros D.V Factory Camo
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Pfalz DIIIa Jasta 18 Default
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Pfalz DIIIa Star Unknown
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Pfalz DIIIa Circles Unknown
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Albatros DIII Jasta 18 Default
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Albatros DIII Jasta 18 Factory Camo wings
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Albatros DIII Jasta 18 Unknown Pilot
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Albatros DV Jasta 18 Unknown Pilot
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The following skins are not in the skinpack system yet, but are submitted to be added so hopefully thats ok

Fokker D.VIIF, Hptm Rudolf Berthold, 44, Jasta 18 CO August 1917 - 20 March 1918, CO Jagdgruppe II. WIA 12th August did not return to action
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Ltn Oliver von Beaulieu-Marconnay, 25/26, December 1 1917 - Jasta 15 March 1918 - Jasta 19 September 1917, Died of Wounds Oct 26, 1918
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Ltn Joachim von Ziegesar 2/3, Jasta 18, January 1918 - Jasta 15, March 1918.
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Vizf Gustav Klaudat, August 1918 6, ? Joined J15 probably sometime post July. WIA October 23rd
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Ltn. Georg von Hantlemann 25, Jasta 18, 6 Feb 1918 - Jasta 15 March 20
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Fokker D.VII + D.VIIF Jasta 15, Default Skin
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Ltn der Reserve Josef Veltjens, 35 Jasta 18 September 1917 - March 1918 Jasta 15, August 1918 CO Jasta 15
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Jasta 15 - Post Berthold Swap
The berthold swap, almost neatly intersects with the Iron Cross to Balkan Cross change. So it would be simplest to change the default scheme of the new Jasta 15 to be the following, as well as these ace skins.

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Fokker D.VIIF, Hptm Rudolf Berthold, 44, Jasta 18 CO August 1917 - 20 March 1918, CO Jagdgruppe II. WIA 12th August did not return to action
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Ltn Walter Dingel, 2 Jasta 18, September 1917 - March 1918 Jasta 15
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Jasta 15 Default + Lozenge
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Oblt. Ernst Wilhelm Turck 1 From Jasta 7, to Jasta 18, 19 July 1917 CO 20th March 1918 - 18 April 1918 posted to Jasta 54
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Ltn Oliver von Beaulieu-Marconnay, 25/26, December 1 1917 - Jasta 15 March 1918 - Jasta 19 September 1917, Died of Wounds Oct 26, 1918
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Unknown Pilot, Chevron (This pilot also is known to have flown a Alb D.III (OAW) with the same marking, but his name is unknown)
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Ltn Johannes Klein, 16 Jasta 18 August 1917 - March 1918 Jasta 15 (Shown here with his later marking of a narrower belly band than previous when he was flying with Jasta 18)
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Ltn der Reserve Josef Veltjens, 35 Jasta 18 September 1917 - March 1918 Jasta 15, August 1918 CO Jasta 15
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Ltn Burckhard von Buttlar, 0 Jasta 18, 15 Jan 1918 - March 1918 Jasta 15
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Unknown Pilot, Horseshoe (This pilot had served with the squadron in Jasta 18, and a photo exists of his plane at the time crashed, so he must have survived and served with Jasta 15 as well)
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Unknown Pilot, Lightning Bolt
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Ltn der Reserve Arthur Rahn, 6, Jastas 18 ~Early 1917, Jasta 19 - October 2 Jasta 18 - March 1918 Jasta 15 - April 1918 Jasta 19
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Unknown Pilot, Star Marking
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Jasta 18 - Post Berthold Swap - Staffel Raben

It is important to know that currently Jasta 15 have the incorrect default skins. Jasta 15 prior to the 'Berthold Swap' had NO squadron markings. Thus, any pilots appearing in Jasta 15 prior to the swap in the following list should not have their Red/White Raben markings until after the 20th of March 1918.

Note: The albatros/DR1 skins by Fubar are not currently in-game. Also I will be supplying new defaults for the currently incorrect Jasta 18 Pfalz and Fokker D.VIIs of Jasta 18 'Raben'

Ltn. August Raben, 4 Jasta 18, March 16th 1918 - End of War CO J18
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Raben would also maintain a Fokker DR1 on squadron strength, which he would fly when the cloud cover was low up until the end of the war
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Ltn. Gunther von Buren, 2 Jasta 18, July 1918 - 14 September WIA
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Ltn. Hans Schultz, 1 Previously Jasta 15, Jasta 18, March 16th 1918 - 6 June 1918, shot down and POW
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Ltn. d R. Hans Müller, 12 Jasta 15, January 1918 - Jasta 18, March 1918.
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Ltn. Heinz Küstner ? Jasta 18, July 1918
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Ltn. Kandt, ? Jasta 18, August 1918
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Ltn. Kurt Adolf Monnington, 12 Jasta 15, Mid? 1917 - March 1918, Jasta 18
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Albatros D.V of Monnington
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Offiz. Stv. Wilhelm Kühne 7 June 1917, Jasta 29 - Jasta 18, March 1918
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Off.Stv. Richard Schleichardt 3 Jasta 15 ? - Jasta 18 March 1918
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Jasta 18 Raben era Albatros DV
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Jasta 18, Unknown Pilots:
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Jasta 18 Fokker DVII + DVIIF, Jasta 18 Default (The original default has several errors matched now to the current Raben skins ingame)
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Pfalz DIIIa, Jasta 18 Default (Original default was incorrect, this is simply the Muller skin with a tiny edit to the cockpit stripe so full credit goes to the original skinner for this one)
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Ltn d R. Hans Müller 12, Jasta 18 March 1918
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Vizfw. Glatz 1, Jasta 18 March 20 1918
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Off. Stv. Richard Schleichardt 3 Jasta 18 March 20 1918
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Vzfw. Mäurer 1? Jasta 18 March 20 1918 - WIA 22 April
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Unit History Final (Although if someone else could quickly run over this that would be great)

Early Days


The Royal Prussian Jagdstaffel 18 was officially formed on the 30th of October 1916 in accordance with the order Kogenluft Nr. 54427. The unit was initially formed at Flieger Ersatz Abetilung (FEA) 12, an aviation training and replacement unit located in Cottbus. The initial commander of the Jasta was Oberleutnant Karl Heino Grieffenhagen. By December 1916 the Jasta moved to its first airfield at Halleuin, near Menin in Flanders in the German 4. Armee sector, where it began its orientation flights. Its opposition would be the Royal Flying Corp (RFC) and Royal Naval Air Service. (RNAS)

Bad weather prevented much operational flying in January but on the 23rd the Staffel would make its first kill of the war when Ltn. Walter von Bülow-Bothkamp flying an Albatros DIII would down a Sopwith Strutter of 45 Squadron. By February 1917 the Squadron was at full combat readiness, with a new batch of recently arrived Albatros D.III fighters filling their complement. They would often engage in combat with English pilots and by March 1917 the squadrons tally was 14 Aircraft for no loss.

Bloody April

The time known as bloody April in 1917 was one of un-qualified success for the German Jagdstafflen, as the RFC intensified their aerial activity to a unprecedented degree, the Jastas including 18 equipped with the un-matched Albatros fighter inflicted heavy casualties.

Although not matching the scores of Jasta 11, Jasta 18 scored steadily in this period with an additional 7 British aircraft confirmed. However the month would also bring the first casualties with Oblt. Grieffenhagen wounded and Ltn Kliendentst’s aircraft set on fire in mid-air and forced to leap from his aircraft to his death. The acting CO became Lt. Von Bülow-Bothkamp.

By May 10th Grieffengheim would return to the squadron and Lt. Bothkamp because of his exemplary leadership would go on to lead Jasta 36 and eventually Jasta Boelcke. As May wore on the pilots continued their success, however by June, the new French and British fighters began to turn the tide against the technical superiority the Jasta had enjoyed up to this point.

This would continue in July with the Jasta encountering and having dogfights with the new RFC SE5 as well as encountering the Bristol F2B and Sopwith Camel. By the end of the month Griffenghen would be posted away to command a Jastaschule, where with his experience he would train German pilots until the end of the war. He was succeeded by a man who would shape the Jasta for the rest of the war, Oblt. Rudolf Berthold.

Berthold Era

Olbt Rudolf Berthold was a stern leader intensely patriotic and with a unshakeable sense of duty, he brooked no slackness or lack of spirit from his pilots or even himself. Whilst flying a Fokker EIV monoplane he suffered a broken nose, pelvis and thigh and despite his injuries he said “Even if i have to be carried to my aeroplane, i will fly again”.

He was well respected by his pilots and fostered a strong espirit de corps within the unit. The pilots that flew within the squadron were in the words of Ltn. Strahle a ИSworn Band’. Berthold would institute several changes and train his pilots mercilessly; particularly in gunnery; this would help turn Jasta 18 into a crack fighter unit.

By Berthold's order all of the Jasta fighters would adopt the colour scheme of his old regiment of an all over Prussian Blue with a Red Nose known (which would come to beknown as the ИBerthold Colours'), coupled with a white personal identification soon helped mark the Jasta as a unit to be avoided. These markings would also cause some confusion within Entente ranks, who would report clashes with the Staffel as encounters with Richtofens ИCircus’.

August and September brought intense fighting, the RFC were opposing the Jasta in ever increasing numbers, and casualties mounted. Berthold worked hard to ensure that promising pilots were posted to his squadron to replace the losses, as well as maintaining a strong core of experienced pilots. Some, such as Ltn. Dingle, Ltn. Strahle and Ltn Veltjens were to continue to serve and achieve success with Berthold as their commander for the remainder of the war.

Winter 1917

The 10th of October saw Berthold wounded in a dogfight, his arm was shattered and while he recovered Ltn. Turck was given temporary command of the squadron. Bertholds influence was badly missed as in the months of October and November the Staffel only scored one victory. When the famous tank battle at Cambrai began on the 10th of November the squadron started a nomadic existence travelling from airfield to airfield to support their ground forces.

Over winter, weather conditions, including snow, limited flight operations to a degree, and the Squadron was to only achieve two victories during the period. By the end of 1917 Jasta 18 had achieved approximately 70 confirmed victories, for the loss of 9 pilots killed, 5 wounded and one captured

In March, Berthold, now promoted to Hauptmann was to return, despite his arm being in a sling and festering, with bone fragments pushing up through his skin. This didn’t stop him from flying although he was in constant pain and found manipulating the controls very difficult.

The Berthold Swap

March 1918 would prove to be momentous month in the Great War; it would also cause a unique change for Jasta 18. Rudolf Berthold was posted to command Jagdgeschwader Nr. II and as a result he was transferred away from his squadrons.

Un-willing to abandon his old comrades Berthold instituted a swap of the pilots under his command to his new posting, which happened on the 19th and 20th of March. As a result Jasta 18 was to become Jasta 15, and Jasta 15 became Jasta 18, commanded by Ltn. der Reserve August Raben. Berthold was able to achieve this partially because of his great influence and also because of the launching of Operation Michael on the 21st of March, the unprecedented German offensive which would break the deadlock of the long trench war but would ultimately exhaust the German army.

Jagdgeschwader Nr II 'Geschwader Berthold' and Jasta 15

Leading from within his favoured Jasta 15 and with Jasta 12, Jasta 13, and Jasta 19 now under his command Berthold was reporting daily to the 18. Armee HQ, informing them of the readiness of the Geschwader and how many aircraft were available. The Jagdgeschwader was responsible for the entire area of operations of the 18. Armee.

Berthold described the differences as "The Jagdgruppe flies when the two-seaters are working. The Geschwader flies mainly when the enemy is up in strength".

In JGII Berthold would again make his influence felt, with the Staffels adopting variations of the Berthold scheme blue aircraft with Jasta 12 having white noses, Jasta 13 dark green noses, Jasta 19 yellow noses and Jasta 15 retaining red noses; although this didn't happen immediately due to the commencement of Operation Michael on the 21st of March.

Operation Michael

Whilst Jasta 12, 13 and 19 were primarily flying the Fokker DR.1 and a few Albatros fighters Jasta 15 retained exclusively their Albatros and Pfalz machines, there being no time for conversion to the Fokker during the immense ground operations in which JGII was heavily involved.
With the commencement of the offensive the Geschwader was ordered to maintain complete air superiority over the advancing Stosstruppen.

The rest of March and early April was a time of great activity for the Squadron and JGII. They were heavily involved in close air support missions, dogfights and interceptions during this time. They moved bases frequently, to keep up with the unprecedented advances by the ground forces, even taking over a British airfield at one point, which was subsequently shelled by French artillery on the night of the 12th of April. This is an indication of how close to the front the Geschwader was operating, whilst the Geschwader had 25 aeroplanes damaged or destroyed not a single person was killed.

The end of April brought poor weather and a winding down of combat operations for the short term. May would see the arrival of a new fighter at the front, the Siemens-Schukart D.III, the pilots responded with much enthusiasm to the new type, and they were dispersed throughout the Jasta's. Soon however it was discovered the type had massive issues with its engine, and the new fighters soon had to be returned to the factories for re-work. This issue would impact Jasta 15 less than the others as they became the first squadron to receive the vaunted Fokker D.VII

June 1918 was a month of great success for the pilots of Jasta 15, operating over the Aisne offensive, still co-operating closely with German ground forces in which Berthold remarked;

"We are not here to carry out a 'gentlemanly' combat at 5000 meters - the infantry at the front is expecting us and we have to help them".

Jasta 15 led the Geschwader in victories and effectiveness. They patrolled and fought nearly every day in June, scoring nearly every day.

Back Foot

July would see Jasta 15 'put to rest' with Berthold and several pilots attending fighter trials in Berlin. Although it is unclear whether any of the pilots of Jasta 15 still flew or were on leave, they were to score no victories for most of the month.

The Reims Offensive on the 15th of July would be the last attempt by the German army to turn the tide of the First World War. Soon the counter-offensives would begin however, and by the 18th the German army was on the back foot. JGII would be heavily involved, flying record numbers of sorties, including 100 combat flights on the 20th of July.

August would bring the Battle of Amiens, during which on the 10th Hptm. Rudolf Berthold would be brought down in a dogfight with Bristols of No 32 Squadron. In the ensuing crash landing Berthold would survive but was injured, and despite attempting to return to the squadron by escaping from hospital on the 12th he was ordered by Kaiser Wilhelm to return to hospital, this time for the remainder of the war.

Ltn. d R. Veltjens would take command of Jasta 15, and temporary command of JGII, by the 31st of August Oblt. Oskar Freiherr von Boenigk would become the CO of JGII. September would provide many successes for the pilots of Jasta 15; fighting principally against the inexperienced Americans they would tally many victories, with the Geschwader tallying an incredible 81 victories for the loss of only 2 pilots.

However the end was in sight for the German pilots, with the huge enemy numbers and vital fuel and oil so heavily rationed they could only manage fewer and fewer flights. The end of September had Hugo Schäfer take command of Jasta 15 and Veltjens command of JGII with Boenigk on leave.

Final Months

The final months of the war brought a steady decline in operations and victories for the Jasta. The fuel rationing and increased Entente numbers in the air meant very few opportunities, a lack of fuel, oil and high compression engines, as well as the German ground forces often in retreat, meant the Staffel moving backwards from their airfields.

November brought the final successful combat of JGII on the 6th of November by Jasta 19. with the final flights by the Geschwader being a mere three on the 9th.

Thus the history of JGII and Jasta 15 was brought to an end with a whimper on the 11th of November by the signing of the Armistice.

Jasta 15 and the Geschwader would begin their journey home by automobile and on foot, officially being de-mobilised on the 23rd of November 1918. Although the war was over many pilots would be involved in the tumultuous events of the German Civil War that was to follow including Berthold, who on the 15th of March 1920 was killed after being taken prisoner whilst leading the Freikorps unit Eiserne Schar Berthold; "Iron Host Berthold"

The final tally for JGII would stand at an estimated 348 victories. For the loss of 18 KIA, 4 Killed in flying accidents, 8 POW and 8 Wounded, for a grand total of 38 casualties. Jasta 18/15 would account for approximately 120-150 of those.



******* I am thinking this may be better suited to be amended onto Jasta 15 history, although because of the current error with the ingame Jasta 15 it has to replace all the text after 'Flying Fokker Dr.I 404/17' which would then become Jasta 18 or Raben ********



Staffel Raben

The squadron that was previously Jasta 15 became Jasta 18 after the Berthold Swap, the Staffel came to be known unofficially as ИStaffel Raben’ named after their new CO Ltn. d R. August Raben. Previously wounded Raben would be posted to command the Staffel 6 days before the Berthold swap.

Raben, meaning Ravens, would add his own personalized colour scheme to the squadron. The fighters would be painted with white fuselage and tails and red noses and wings with a Raven insignia, located on the mid fuselage section in the style of the French Escadrilles, but quite unusual for a German Jasta.

Staffel Raben would participate in Operation Michael; although for the most part without its CO as Ltn. d R. Raben was injured when his plane turned over on the 20th and provided interception and air support missions for the German ground forces. They took up a nomadic existence, moving to temporary airfields and flying multiple combat sorties a day. By the 17th of April, Raben had returned to re-take command whilst the battle still raged below.

With the end of Operation Michael, and the smaller follow up Operation Georgette, Jasta 18 began normal Jasta operations and had a string of success in May, despite their airfield being bombed by DH4s of No 206 Squadron of the newly organized RAF on the 18th. Staffel Raben also engaged the USAS dogfighting with SPAD VII’s and XIII’s from the 103rd Aero Squadron. The month ended with 11 Claims, plus 1 Balloon and no losses for Jasta 18.

The end of the month also marked the arrival of the new Fokker DVII fighters which were welcomed gladly by the men of Jasta 18. Raben himself would keep a Fokker DR1 as a personal aircraft, but only used it when the cloud cover was very low to exploit its advantages. The Staffel continued to find success with its new fighters.

On the 6th of June, Staffel Raben would have its first casualties, in a dogfight with Se5a’s of No 29 Squadron they would lose one of their most experienced pilots Ltn. Karl Albert Mendal, as well as losing another pilot Ltn. d R. Schultz behind enemy lines, where he and his machine were captured and the Fokker given close examination by the allies.

Bomber Interdiction

The increasing strategic bombing initiative of the British Independent Air Force was taking an increasing toll on German assets behind the lines. As a response to this the Germans established a communication and fighter network to combat the Bombers. It consisted of the Kampfeinsitzer Staffeln (KEST) squadrons, mostly consisting of older Pfalz and Albatros fighters and a few selected Jastas such as Jasta 18. They made their way to their new accommodation at Montingen on the 14th of June.

The Squadron would battle the IAF for the next few months, in increasing numbers but with increasing skill the pilots of Staffel Raben learned to break up enemy formations to pick off stragglers. IAF reports from the time are dotted with accounts of encountering the vermillion nosed Fokkers and the units score continued to mount; although with it inevitably came losses as well.

In August 1918 the Staffel would come under additional pressure from the Americans, French during the battle of St. Mihiel, during the month Jasta 18 would engage in a large squadron sized dogfight against the 13th Aero Squadron, USAS, and on the 14th and 16th of September were involved in several clashes with American SPADS.

After September 16th the Staffel would mostly encounter bombers once more, although it would operate less and less as lack of fuel and materials led to the gradual exhaustion of the German Air Forces.

The Staffels final combat encounter came on the 3rd of November, with an un-successful dogfight with a DH4 and on the 11th the Armistice brought an end to the war in Europe. As their final act as a squadron two days later the Staffel turned their fighters over at a depot at Saargemünd, thus bringing an end to Staffel Raben.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:44

Zoring, glad to see you tackle this. With all the new Allied squadrons added to the game, the German side definitely needed some attention.

As for re-naming, yes, RNAS 8 does this, as well as nearly every French fighter squadron.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 18:29

Zoring if you don't mind, [have to work until Saturday late, fucking 6days on 9h each day, man, wish I was living in Greece] I will check this Sunday, all based on 2 Greg van Wyngardes splendid books.
Keep in your mind that jasta18 was also involved in home defending!! Red/white was introduced after the 15/18 exchange, if we are talking about jasta18!
Rabes Jasta18 was quite successful and respected by its opponents.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 18:38

Zoring, glad to see you tackle this. With all the new Allied squadrons added to the game, the German side definitely needed some attention.

As for re-naming, yes, RNAS 8 does this, as well as nearly every French fighter squadron.
Yep, all RNAS/RFC was transferred to RAF and the French used the name what they had for planes, only a change of squadron name, not a complete swap of staff, maintenance personal and pilots. Interesting would also be that some RFC changed from bomber type to a fighter plane!
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Posted 02 September 2011 - 05:54

Yep that's right Dutch, i'm working off the first Jasta 18 book as well (i ordered the second one but it was out of stock!) So perhaps first of all you can concentrate on Jasta 18 after it became Jasta 15 under JG2.

Once the 'swap' takes places Jasta 15's name should be changed to Jasta 18. That way players playing in either a Jasta 15 or an 18 campaign will stay with their current squadron. Is 'Staffel Raben' home airfield on our current game map?
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 06:40

First a little commercial from my source, the splendid book jasta 18 the red noses from Greg vanWyngarden. This Ospray book is a must-have for all who have interest in jasta history. I have lots of Gregs books and I think this is his the best on jasta history! Greg I hope you don't mind that I take some facts from your book: http://www.ospreypub...s_9781849083355" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ospreypub...ing.com/store/J … 1849083355

Royal Prussian Jaghdstaffel was officially formed on 30-okt-1916 order Kogenluft nr54427!
It was formed from flieger Ersatz Abteilung 12, a training and replacement unit. Commander in charge was Karl Heino Greiffenhagen. Planes, could be a mix but the Albatros DIII arrives at in jan 1917. During 27-jan-1917 and 7-febr-1917 these planes were grounded due lower wing failures. On 7 febr. new strenged albatrosses arrived at jasta18!
By june Jasta18 recieved the first Alb DV, rest is still the Alb. DIII. Oktober 1917 first Pfalz DIII, from now it seems to be a mix of Alb DIII/DV and Pf DIII. There must be some Dr1, but I can not get any data here. Will try to figure this out in Dr1 aces.

On 20-March the Bertold swap was completed and the old jasta15 leader Raben moved to aerodrome at Bruille east of Douai and took of the jasta 18 title. [Raben was from 14 march 1918 the new jasta 15 leader, BTW]

Kurt Monnington was stayed for a while in jasta15 to facilitate the transition.
Jasta 18 was att that time equipped with pflaz and Albatros fighter. Most likely the Dr1 were left behind for jasta15. Only Raben had his personal Dr1.
Jasta18 pilots at the start were:
Raben
Kurt Monninton
Karl Albert Mendel
Erich Spindler
Hans Muller, u=with double points
Hans Schultz
Kurt Baier
Claus von Waldow
Bergner
Hebler

Wilhelm Kuhne
Richard Schleichardt
Maurer [a=double points]
Glatz

20 march Raben was wounded after a take of and sent to hospital, Ltn Rodde was now the leader.
14 april Raben was back on jasta18

Aerodromes:
8 april Avelin
12 april Faches pilots/planes joined later.
?? april Lomme airfield west of Lille for 6weeks, [so I think end of april here]
14 JUNE montingen [Montoy] east of Metz until 11/11/18



planes:
from start of the swap: PfalzDIIIa and Albatros DVa
FokkerD7 from end of may or at the start of June, it is likely that the unit was totally equipped with the D7, along with at least one Raben's Dr1, but a few Albatros or Pfalz may have still on strength. See no Fokker D7f here!

Commanders:
Grieffenhagen 31-10-1916//24-17
Bulow-Bothkamp 24-4-17//10-5-17
Grieffenhagen 10-5-17//12-8-17
Berthold 12-8-17//10-10-17
Turck 10-10-17//5-3-18
Berthold 5-3-18/8-3-18
Buddecke 8-3-18//10-3-18
Turck 10-3-18//20-3-18
Raben 20-3-18
Rodde 21-3-18//14-4-18
Raben 14-4-18// 11-11-18

There are a lot of jasta18 skins made by RoF members, btw.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 08:18

I have updated the Squadron and pilots with their kills, plane pictures and their service dates. Next i will write up a description for the Squadron History.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 14:25

And a short history for squadron? (to place it into squsdron room history - as its done for other squadrons right now).

Also - are these skins already in the skinspacks? (is yes - note their exact naming in these packs ("blabla.dds"). If they are not - drop links on them right here.

PS: we aint able to make an correct squadron roster for pilots - as all their names are fictional.
But we can make correct skins/base locations (is they are on curent ROF map) and aces skins.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 17:09

Ok Viks, I have been just drafting up a short squadron history and will post it soon. The skins are in Community Historical Skinpack 8, as well as new Jasta 18 Default Skins for the Albatros D.III, D.V and Pfalz D.IIIa (all of these i have made to be the same colour for consistency). I will add their exact names as well.

Yes, they will show up still for people to fight in their careers :)
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 18:09

Albatros D.V Jasta 15 Ltn. Kurt Monnington
Albatros D.Va - Unknown pilot, Jasta 18, mid 1918.
Fokker D.VII Jasta 18 skinpack (11 skins)
Pfalz D.IIIa - Jasta 18 - Ltn. Walther Kleffel
Pfalz D.IIIa - Jasta 18 - Generic/Default Late 1917
Pfalz D.IIIa - Jasta 18 - Uffz Max Hitschler
Hans Muler. Jasta 18"Raben"

I did a check only on jasta18, but as you know lots of jasta 15 Albatros/Pfalz skins were actually jasta18, because of the swap.
Also notice the Jasta 15 Kurt Monnington
which I think is a great skin, should be in the approved skin-pack, but I do not know if he was flying this color skin or the Alexandra skin on the Swap??? edit: check this and Monninngton was flying this during when under leader ship of Gontermann, according to Osprey albatros aces!!!

edit: Jasta 18 Raben skin pack
edit: Fokker Dr1 Jasta 18 of Ltn d R August Raben
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 18:13

Yes i will do a write up on Jasta 18 when it is Staffel 'Raben' as well with the skins we have and post it up in my first post.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 15:37

Amazing work here gentlemen. I am sure all the lads will appreciate it.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 18:24

Ok pity we can not use the historical names [=who not], so the story should have another go.
Starting from the swap.
Already wrote down the swap, leaders and airfields data.
Interesting is also to know that Raben was not the great ace he had only 4 confirmed kills. But he was a well respected commander so unlike Richthoven or Voss, his leader skills must be excellent, to get the respect of pilots who were much better fighters and I guess also better flyer's. Maybe we would nowadays wrote down he had a coaching approach of managing this group.

Plane Colors: all the enemy fighter were impressed by those beautiful colors. Like Bertold, Rabe wanted that the planes had those flamboyant color scheme so that could identify foe and friend.
Because Rabe was wounded direct after the swap and returned on 14/4/18, could implyfied that before 14/4 the planes had not the red/white colors and the black raven.
The black raven was from Raben's name. All the ravens were the same so it looks like they were apply by a transfer model. Only Raben had a white raven.

Interesting note is that when based at Montingen, j18 was flying home defence missions against the DH4 and DN9's from the independent airforce. These missions were combined with jastas like 78b, 80b or KEST group.

Charles Biddle on j18: The pilots were certainly good, there is use in denying that fact. They have lots of fights with them and the way some of them can throw their machines around in the air shows you clearly that they are old hands at the game. I would like to drop one of that red-winged outfit. We knocked a couple of them down in the last offensive, but they got more of us than we did of them.

Historians are unable to determine the account of all those claim but R. Duiven researched 107 aeroplanes and 5 balloons. Loss of 8 killed pilots, 11 wounded and 2 POW.
Yep, despite not having the pour le merite pilots, or a plane like D7f, Raben has made this group into a elite unit.
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 19:16

Vik needing more info or any specific info, let me know!!!
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 19:17

VikS needs the dds file names of the skins, listing them would probably of great help.
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Posted 09 September 2011 - 06:44

First post updated with all of the dds names. Plus first part of history. I have ordered the JGII book again so i can post up the history for Jasta 18 when it goes to being Jasta 15 under Berthold in JGII
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Posted 09 September 2011 - 15:39

VikS needs the dds file names of the skins, listing them would probably of great help.

Because he would not use the historic names in the campaign this would make no sense here, thinking a generic skins would be better then. If not so he could track down the link I have included, guess this is not that huge work, if so, let me know!! :S!:

Hi Zoring I have both books, what kind of info do you trying to get on the J-II book. :?:
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 05:18

Don't worry about the skins and the dds names dutch I will provide them.

Would you be able to give me the Airfield Dates and Locations of Jasta 15 after it became part of JGII?
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 17:21

No problem will bring it to you on this Wensday!!!
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Posted 14 September 2011 - 18:01

Warning: only JGII Jasta15 after the SWAP

17-3-1918 JGII (& old J15) Guise

xx-xx-1918 Balatre near Roye (the home of 150 aircraft]

13-4-1918 due the shelling of Balatre airfield 25 planes destroyed and JG was out of action for 3 weeks,
movement to Les Mesnil near Nesle.

12 & 14-7-1918 Leffincourt Riems

24-7-1918 /chery-les-pouilly airfield

18-8-1918 Foreste [north of Ham]

26-8-1918 Fonfomme-Fontaine-Notre dame road

XX-XX-1918 Neuflize

2-9-1918 Tichemont

28-9 until 1-10 Stenay

1-11-1918 Carignan

All based on Osprey Jagdgeschwader NrII I'm trying to read another book to get the missing data!!! :S!:
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 06:25

Zoring: after reading Above the lines, I can not give more info then extracted above!
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 15:14

Great work Dutch, i have checked all those dates and it's all correct and updated now in the main list. Now we have to do the same for Jasta 18 'Staffel Raben' and we have all the info for J18/15, and i just have to finish writing this history!

Updated with more history, just have to finish it as Jasta 15 now.
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 18:52

I would gladly help, lot of books here. Only would like to know: is this what Viks wanted
Edit: see no reply for VikS guess it is what he wants. :S!:
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