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#121 SYN_Bandy

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 16:37

They are our children, in a way, spawned from our imaginations.
I know that's more than a little corny, but I'll leave it in the post. :roll:
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#122 FlatSpinMan

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 15:26

It's good fun this, isn't it, F_IV? Might try and add a couple more.
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#123 vonu

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 01:31

Hi Han,

I've put together a brief biography for an Australian pilot serving with the RNAS. It's a bit short, but if you think you can use it, I would be happy to fill it out a bit.

Best,

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William Thomas Reynolds (Australian pilot biography)

<p> William Thomas Reynolds was born in Ballarat, Australia on October 14, 1894.</p>
<p> In September of 1914, at 20 years of age, Reynolds volunteered for service as a trooper with the 8th Light Horse Regiment. He subsequently distinguished himself during the Gallipoli campaign in 1915, achieving a field commission to the rank of Second Lieutenant. </p>
<p> At the end of 1915 Reynolds successfully applied for a transfer to the Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS) as a probationary Flight Sub-Lieutenant. He was awarded his wings on March 7, 1916 and arrived in France in June of that year for service with No. 1 (Naval) Wing at Dunkirk, where he initially flew Sopwith 1½ Strutters in bombing raids.</p>
</p>The following month, on July 18, 1916, Reynolds won promotion to the rank of Flight Lieutenant and was posted to No. 8 Squadron RNAS ("Naval Eight"), based at Mont St Eloi airfield on the outskirts of Arras, flying Sopwith Pups.</p>
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#124 SYN_Bandy

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 11:46

@ Vonu,
Have a look at the very first post. You need to replace names, age, dates, etc. with $[tags] in your text so that players can insert their own. Things need to be generalized a bit.

Go for it and fill that bio out!
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#125 vonu

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 23:48

Thanks Bandy. Totally missed that (which about sums up my RoF skills too…) I'll work on it some more over the weekend. :S!:
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#126 vonu

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 02:50

Okay, here's my second attempt at a biography. Hope it's of some use.


(Australian pilot biography)

<p> $[name] was born in Ballarat, Australia on $[birthdate].</p>

<p> In September of 1914, $[lastName] volunteered for service as a trooper with the 8th Light Horse Regiment. He subsequently distinguished himself during the Gallipoli campaign in 1915, achieving a field commission to the rank of Second Lieutenant. He was mentioned in despatches during the fierce fighting at the Nek. His citation in part reads, “unheedful of his own safety, Lieutenant $[lastName] marshalled his men in the face of overwhelming enemy resistance. It was largely due to his efforts that a good number of his men survived the operation.”</p>

<p> In April, 1916 $[lastName] applied for a transfer to the Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS) as a probationary Flight Sub-Lieutenant. After flight training at the Royal Naval Air Service, Training Establishment, Cranwell, he was awarded his wings on June 7, 1916. It was during his time at Cranwell that $[lastName] hastily married Maisie Kirkwall, a local publican’s daughter. Soon afterwards, in late June 1916, he was posted to France for service with No. 1 (Naval) Wing at Dunkirk, where he initially flew Sopwith 1½ Strutters in bombing raids, a job at which he showed some aptitude. $[lastName] noted in his diary that “The Albatrosses and the archie were a breeze compared to the wrath of Maisie’s b….y father.</p>

<p> On August 18, 1916, $[lastName] was posted to No. 8 Squadron RNAS ("Naval Eight"), based at Mont St Eloi airfield on the outskirts of Arras, flying Sopwith Pups, where he was able to hone his skills as a scout pilot. His squadron was mainly involved in flying escort for artillery spotters and offensive patrols into enemy territory.</p>

<p>Wounded during a dogfight in October of 1916, $[lastName] spent several weeks recovering at a base hospital in Rouen. He returned to active service on $[startDate], and was posted to $[startRank], with the rank of $[startRank].</p>
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#127 wolfbeard

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 14:38

British Commonwealth - Son of Famous Montreal Industrialist

<p> $ [name] was born in Quebec on $ [birth date]. His father was a prominent Montreal industrialist, and $ [firstName] enjoyed a privileged life from a young age. His mother, a French immigrate who spoke very little English, was determined to acquire the best possible education for $ [firstName] and his older brother Raul.</p>

<p>While his mother's emphasis was on education, his father was obsessed with sport. He encouraged his boys to try their hand at every athletic pursuit available, and indeed, he pushed them into every juniors league he could find, in events ranging from football in the summer to ice hockey in the long winters. Raul excelled at both his parents fields, becoming well known for his athletic gifts and academic focus. $ [firstName] excelled at neither. He had little interest in athletics and even littler interest in academia. In fact, his lack of interest was a constant concern of his father, who worried that without direction he would fall into a life of mischief. His father's worries seemed well placed early, as $ [firstName] was in constant trouble at school. His teachers noted that he seemed to have anger issues, since he was constantly picking fights with bigger students and was easily provoked.

<p>Although only separated by two years, his lack of academic or athletic distinction and consistent trouble put a strain on $ [firstName] and Raul's relationship. $ [firstName] both idolized and resented his older brother and they quarreled fiercely.</p>

<p>After Raul graduated from Selywn House, he chose not to work for his father, but instead in the burgeoning aviation industry. It wasn't long before he took up flying himself. As $ [firstName] toiled away in preparatory school, he watched with growing envy as his brother became even more famous for his long test flights over wilderness territory.</p>

<p>During a long morning flight near Queen Charlotte Sound, Raul went into an uncontrolled spin and was killed in the ensuing crash. $ [firstName] was stunned. His brother had never failed at anything before. The idea that flight had gotten the best of Raul gave $ [firstName] a clarity of focus he had never experienced. With Raul's death $ [firstName] felt a great sense of duty to carry on for him; he attacked aviation with furious abandon, learning everything he could from books, and when that was not enough, by talking to pilots who had been familiar with his brother. He hungered to not only fly, but to defeat the sky, and he recognized that the war in Europe might just be the perfect venue for his angry passion.</p>

<p>RFC commanders were not impressed by his school record, but tenacity and aggressiveness were qualities they prized in perspective pilots, and $ [firstName] seemed to ooze both. He was accepted for training, and on $ [startDate], at the age of $[age], he received his pilot's license with $ [squad]. $ [name] quickly found himself at home in the wartime aerodrome, as he realized that, for the first time in his life, he was now fully encouraged to create mischief.</p>
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#128 wolfbeard

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 22:20

Here's another. I tried to focus on his life pre-aviation, that way the entire flying experience is left to the player. Due to dual nationality, this pilot could fly as a Frenchman or as part of the Lafayette Escadrille, ala Lufberry.
Please let me know if it's too long, I can do some cutting.

French Traveler / Gambler

<p>$[name] was born to a French father and an American mother in $[birthdate]. ($[name] is a Nom De Guerre. His original last name is commonly given as Lefebvre, but it is uncertain if this is itself an alias due to $[lastName]'s duplicity in his own correspondence.)</p>

<p>$[lastName] spent his childhood in Caen, France, where his father owned a small but successful meat shop. His mother was an expatriate dreamer with a vagabond soul, and when $[lastName] was only five, she left his father and returned to the United States.</p>

<p>When he turned 15, $ [lastName] determined that he would see the world for himself, and he traveled to England where he set off by charter for Wanchese, North Carolina.</p>

<p>While in North Carolina, in order to pay for his trip westward, he worked for a time as a dishwasher in The Sea Rose Tavern, which had a reputation as a front for prostitution. During $[lastName]'s short time there he met many of North Carolina's most disreputable denizens, including Tom Meadows. Meadows was a local tire factory worker, but his real claim to fame was card sharking. He showed $ [lastName] many tricks, including bottom dealing, how to use some of the best holdout devices, where to carry a pen knife so no one noticed, and the best spot to sink it if trouble started. "The key, my boy," Meadows instructed, "is to strike the other fellow before he gets the same notion."</p>

<p>$[lastName]'s weeks in North Carolina were marred by his witnessing of a lynching; when $[lastName], disgusted by the sight, tried to intervene, he was nearly beaten to death by members of the mob. Only a timely warning shot from Meadows' pistol was enough to disperse the crowd. "Sometimes its best to stay out of others' business," Meadows told him afterwards as he roughly tried to stitch the gash above $[lastName]'s eye.</p>

<p>$[lastName] made his way West slowly by railway, and during the train's laconic shuffling journey he realized the West was no longer the wild setting of his mother's fanciful bedtime stories. Barbwire fences cut off and corralled the wide open vistas of his imagination, and to him the land seemed nearly as domesticated as the country side of his childhood.</p>

<p>His time in the West was a blur of work and drink. He worked as a ranch hand in Kansas, as a mail clerk's assistant in Colorado, at a bike shop in Idaho, always with his bags packed, never rooted for long.</p>

<p>Throughout $[lastName]'s travels he was always able to supplement his income with card games. During one such game in San Francisco, a dispute broke out over his dealing and he stabbed a local dock worker in the ensuing scrum.</p>

<p>Not trusting that local authorities would see his side of things, he joined the crew of the Mother Maria, a steamer bound for Japan. He stayed with the ship through it's long and winding journey back to it's home port of Dunkerque.</p>

<p>After stretching his legs for a few days in some Belgian port taverns, $[lastName] continued inland to Dinant. Here he worked for a brewer, Alard Doma, and quickly grew smitten with Alard's beautiful daughter, Evelien. They had a whirlwind romance and in late May of 1914, he proposed. Evelien ignored $[lastName]'s lack of finances and future prospects, and they were married the following month.</p>

<p>Alard was very political, and although Belgium was a neutral nation, he was concerned with what he perceived as the ever growing militarism of Germany. The topic was discussed nightly at the dinner table, and $[lastName] was inspired to take action. In order to support his new wife and to gain Alard's respect, he enlisted in the French Foreign Legion. Due to his experience as a rider, he requested enrollment in the Saumur Cavalry School, but was denied.</p>

<p>As part of Legion tradition, he changed his name to the Nom De Geurre, $[name], how he would be known for the rest of his life. He wrote home to tell his young wife of his new name, and waggishly noted it would be her third last name in as many weeks.</p>

<p>While the newly minted $[lastName] was training with his unit in France, Germany invaded Belgium, violating its neutrality. After several tense weeks where $[lastName] waited breathlessly for each and every letter from Evelien, word finally came from one of Alard's workers. Alard had been suspected of inciting Belgian resistance, and he had been summarily executed. Worst of all, Evelien had been arrested and had disappeared. $[lastName] did not need to let his imagination run free, the British and French governments painted the picture for him. Posters everywhere depicted Belgian women chased by merciless, bloodthirsty Hun invaders.</p>

<p>On completion of his training, $[lastName] was assigned to the 2nd Régiment de Marche. His first major combat action came in the Spring of 1915 at the Battle of Aubers Ridge. His unit was ordered over the top in an early charge, and $[lastName] was shot down by a German machine gunner. He lay wounded in No Man's Land for several hours, close enough to the German lines to note that after a time the enemy machine gunners and snipers were allowing British and French soldiers to venture out and reclaim the wounded. This incidence of "Live and Let Live" contrasted sharply with his preconceived image of the Hun Invading Force.</p>

<p>Due to his bravery in the charge, $[lastName] was promoted to $[startRank]. He recuperated in a field hospital near Arras. After-wards, he walked with such a marked limp that he was denied reentry into his regiment. After a rehabilitative leave, he instead applied for transfer to the Aéronautique Militaire, which was rumored to have much lighter physical conditioning requirements. "After all," a fellow BEF hospital patron had mused, "You're just sitting up there. How difficult could it be?"</p>

<p>A transfer was granted, and on $[startdate], he was accepted for training with the $[squad].</p>
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#129 Pinkamina

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 23:47

Can't help but to state that the 24 Squadron is missing in the carrer!
I am really disppointed since I loved this squadron for its aircraft list.

And where Am I supposed to post this?
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#130 LukeFF

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:14

And where Am I supposed to post this?

Definitely not in this thread. :roll:

The Feedback forum is your best bet.
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#131 JimmyBlonde

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 05:30

Kudos to the contributors in this thread, this is some very creative and well written work.

I'm trying to figure out how to carry Wellington the bulldog along with me in my Spad but I think my landings would interfere with his digestion.
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#132 BroadSide

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 09:06

Kudos to the contributors in this thread, this is some very creative and well written work.

I'm trying to figure out how to carry Wellington the bulldog along with me in my Spad but I think my landings would interfere with his digestion.


:D
He's got an iron stomach…just dont feed him before he goes up with you (no need to take chances with even HIS iron stomach :lol: )

Thanks for this post! (made me grin ear to ear)
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#133 Feathered_IV

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 11:18

Do the Devs still need more of these? Do let us know. :S!:
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#134 Zoring

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Posted 11 June 2011 - 13:04

I think we should have more personally. I would also love to have 'epilogues' to go with our personas, or even updates that occour during events.

Say you shoot down 5/10 planes, and a paragraph gets added to your biography. On the 05/09/17 Ltn. Gropenbottom shot down his 10th plane to become a Kanone. This news was greeted with jubilation by his family in etc etc.

Pour Le Merite was awarded on etc. becoming one of the elite German aviators as such his fame rose far beyond his humble begginings.

Killed in Action near TOWN the Ace was buried with full millitary honours/Lost over no-mans land the new aviator was posted missing on date, his kitbag wasn't even opened.

Returning home to his sheep ranch in Western Australia Capt. Blokeshagger lived out his days peacefully/Traumatized by the horror of war Ltn. Floopadoop commited suicide in 1919/Cpt. Heroburger became a stunt pilot and was killed in a flying accident in 1929.
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#135 SYN_Bandy

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 15:29

Hey guys.

We really need the communities help with adding some textual content to the new ROF Career. We simply do not have a big enough team to locate and write all this information ourselves.

The 777 team is hoping you will take the time and lend your creative talent! If you contribute there will be some kind of reward. Have not decided what yet though.

Thanks in advance!
Jason
The fact that you got the new career mode out to us is reward enough. Many thanks Devs!
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#136 Cold_Gambler

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 16:01

As Feathered asked:
do you need more generic biographies?
Are more squadron histories needed?
Could we provide more pilot "mugshots" (portraits of WW1 pilots) to populate the virtual pilots?

I'm sure I'm far from the only one to want to help but we need some direction as to what the dev team needs…

Cheers,
C_G
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#137 HotTom

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 16:29

Seems to me there is no need for fictional biographies, most of which are impossibly silly and many downright dumb. "Lieutenant Whatsis loves his mother and wants to get home alive to marry his one true love."

Who wrote this tripe?

What is available in great quantities are the biographical details of countless real WWI pilots.

And there are countless photographs of real WWi pilots.

Why not use the real deal about real pilots?

The information is readily available.
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#138 Cold_Gambler

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 17:44

Hoooaaaaa…
The biographies were created by various members here, so you may want to put on your asbestos suit…
My personal view is that most of them are quite well written and add much needed colour to the career.

In any case, IF the developers are interested in receiving more generic bios for the career perhaps you would be interested in contributing some which are not "tripe"…

If you are wondering, no I did not write any of the generic bios. I'd hoped to but real life prevented me from contributing at that time.

Cheers,
C_G
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#139 HotTom

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 19:47

If they want real bios of real people, I would be glad to write some.
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#140 Cold_Gambler

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 19:55

That's the question isn't it? :)
Does 777 consider that it's not necessary/worth their resources to continue adding more 3rd party generated content, or would they like more bios (real or fictional)?

My personal view is that though there's a fair bit of content it still seems a little "sparse" and since I'm now in a position to contribute it would be nice to know if contributions are still welcome before I start :)
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#141 jeanba4

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 20:56

Just one note on the french nobleman : "Languedoc-Roussillon" did not exist at that time, Montpellier was in "Languedoc" (only)
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#142 LukeFF

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 05:07

Seems to me there is no need for fictional biographies, most of which are impossibly silly and many downright dumb. "Lieutenant Whatsis loves his mother and wants to get home alive to marry his one true love."

You were around while these biographies were being created, so why didn't you raise this issue back then?
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#143 HotTom

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 05:52

Seems to me there is no need for fictional biographies, most of which are impossibly silly and many downright dumb. "Lieutenant Whatsis loves his mother and wants to get home alive to marry his one true love."

You were around while these biographies were being created, so why didn't you raise this issue back then?

Actually, Luke, I wasn't aware of them until the Beta Career appeared. If I were, I would have suggested using real bios of real pilots back then.

Why use fictional characters in an historical simulation? Why not the actual pilots? Might even learn some history :mrgreen:

No shortage of real pilots with interesting back stories (just look at The Aerodrome web site for starters). Could even match up the right photos with the right people.

The fictional flights of fancy we ended up with are very lame.
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#144 DidNotFinish

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 01:38

Ehh, although it is a historical simulation I kind of like the idea of fictional bios on the grounds that it is your own personal character as if it you in the war rather than you role-playing as someone else if you know what I mean. I wouldn't be against historical ones either, but I want to play as me, not Guynemer or Ball.
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#145 HotTom

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:11

AJ, if it's your "own personal character," why can't you make up his history rather than having a not-very-good one spoon-fed to you?

Actually, I always fly as historical pilots. Helps me learn about them. It's my way of honoring their memory.

:S!:

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#146 jeanba4

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:53

I find that biographies are important for the immersion of beta careers.
Maybe it would be nice to be able to write your own characters biography and then be able to submit them for approval on the forum, the approved one being available for choice by other users ?

Anyway, I am reading books on french soldiers of WWI with personnal biographies and sometimes, I read incredible things.
I also found the life of one of my ancestors in the 20s, he was an artist in Montmartre's night clubs with incredible shows !!
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#147 -Ginge-

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 07:22

Having real biographies would go some way towards ROF being the virtual museum of aerial combat in WW1 that was suggested.

I do not know if there is an ethical issue about having real stories. Maybe there is a problem with the families of the people who fought and died, and if so I would respect that very deeply. However, if there is not such a problem I would strongly welcome having the real stories, and I would very respectfully read them.

There was such bravery, and such amazing deeds done I would like to be able to help keep these remembered.

My salute to the pilots of WW1
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#148 jeanba4

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 07:38

Ginge

In France, it can be difficult to get real biographies attached to real names, but if we don't quote any name, it is ok.

Also, it would be interesting if it were be possible for players to customize the biography, changing the place of birth, the job …
Then, any other player could be able to check that pilot's biography.
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#149 DidNotFinish

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 03:11

AJ, if it's your "own personal character," why can't you make up his history rather than having a not-very-good one spoon-fed to you?

Actually, I always fly as historical pilots. Helps me learn about them. It's my way of honoring their memory.

:S!:

HT

You bring up a good point. Maybe we could have an option to write our own short bios in ROF? A mixture of historical, fictional, and perhaps the option of writing your own seems to fit best in this situation really.

And I absolutely agree with you. Some of the biographies we currently have are simply atrocious.
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#150 JimmyBlonde

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:21

I don't understand what the problem is…

The biographies that we have now are functional, semi-fictional and they touch on common themes from the period, serving to provide an atmospheric background for a player without plagiarsing the life-story of an actual, recognisable individual in most cases. None of them are completely absurd or and the few that are farcical are deliberately written to be for their humorous value.

I never assumed that they were supposed to be flawless and epic pieces of fictional prose or technically impeccable biographies so what's the problem with them? Is it just the lack of an option to enter your own bio for those who are so inclined? It's ridiculous to criticize what we have without offering any reason other than "Whine, whine, whine, waaaaah I don't like them".

What more do you want than a basic, believable background? How is it that what we have isn't good enough? How many people feel this way and what do they actually want? I could probably knock up a few bios at short notice without too much trouble and I'm sure that others would do they same if they understood what the problem was with the current content.

Would people prefer to make their own bio or would they like to impersonate a historical figure? If the latter then, what if Historical pilots or aces are added to the career mode rosters and you end up flying with yourself?
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#151 HotTom

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 07:10

I don't understand what the problem is…

The biographies that we have now are functional, semi-fictional and they touch on common themes from the period, serving to provide an atmospheric background for a player without plagiarsing the life-story of an actual, recognisable individual in most cases. None of them are completely absurd or and the few that are farcical are deliberately written to be for their humorous value.

I never assumed that they were supposed to be flawless and epic pieces of fictional prose or technically impeccable biographies so what's the problem with them? Is it just the lack of an option to enter your own bio for those who are so inclined? It's ridiculous to criticize what we have without offering any reason other than "Whine, whine, whine, waaaaah I don't like them".

What more do you want than a basic, believable background? How is it that what we have isn't good enough? How many people feel this way and what do they actually want? I could probably knock up a few bios at short notice without too much trouble and I'm sure that others would do they same if they understood what the problem was with the current content.

Would people prefer to make their own bio or would they like to impersonate a historical figure? If the latter then, what if Historical pilots or aces are added to the career mode rosters and you end up flying with yourself?


No one is whining, Jimmy, and I gave my reasons.

It's fine if you disagree but don't put your own spin on what I said. Quote me accurately.
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#152 JimmyBlonde

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 07:24

No one is whining, Jimmy, and I gave my reasons.

It's fine if you disagree but don't put your own spin on what I said. Quote me accurately.

If I was quoting you I would have used quotation code. You also didn't answer the question which implies that you're more concerned about having your motives questioned than the actual issue.
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#153 HotTom

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 07:32

My motives are very clear: Make RoF as historically accurate as possible. These fantasy bios are a drastic departure from that goal. I thought I was pretty clear. But, if not, there it is.
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#154 MiG-77

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 09:18

These fantasy bios are a drastic departure from that goal.

:?: No more than you playing WWI game. Your actions will be always non historical or othervise you would be watching movie and not playing a game. Altought historical bios could be used aswell, I have to agree with JimmyBlonde.
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#155 JimmyBlonde

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 09:50

Well none of the bios seem to describe very young men, most of them seem to belong to pilots who are older and more experienced. I think that a lot more than might usually be expected has been crammed into their bios to make them interesting.

I never thought I'd ever see anybody complaining about them though, I guess you could offer your own examples as an alternative if you find them that bad. I'd be interested to read them at least just to see how you envisage a historically accurate bio.
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#156 Endy

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 10:15

I think the Bio's are great, and well done to all those who took the trouble to write them.
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#157 HotTom

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 15:26

Well, then, MiG. what is the point of all the endless FM debates you love to jump into?

If attempting to match historical performance isn't the "motive" (to use a Jimmyism) why bother?

If it's just a game, who cares if the climb rate is accurate?

You can't argue historical accuracy in one area and not another. It's inconsistent.

Obviously, most people don't care whether RoF is historical or not because they vote for absolutely butt ugly fantasy skins and they play in TDM and CTF in MP, which is absolute rubbish.

Many here believe "Flyboys" and "The Red Baron" are great films because they were entertained and the appalling twisting of history in them isn't even a criteria for them. Same mentality.

If you want to be credible in your arguments for accuracy, fictional bios are going in the other direction.

It's back to the core debate is the vast majority of these threads: Is it a sim or is it a game?

That's always the question, isn't it?
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#158 MiG-77

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 15:51

Well, then, MiG. what is the point of all the endless FM debates you love to jump into?

If attempting to match historical performance isn't the "motive" (to use a Jimmyism) why bother?

If it's just a game, who cares if the climb rate is accurate?

You can't argue historical accuracy in one area and not another. It's inconsistent.

Ofcourse you can, you can achieve historical accurasy in one, but not other. Your WWI pilot "avatar" is always unhistorical regardless what you write in its bio.

Obviously, most people don't care whether RoF is historical or not because they vote for absolutely butt ugly fantasy skins and they play in TDM and CTF in MP, which is absolute rubbish.

But if you want to be credible in your arguments for accuracy, fictional bios are going in the other direction.

It's back to the core debate is the vast majority of these threads: Is it a sim or is it a game?

That's always the question, isn't it?

It is sim and it is game. It is not one or other.
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#159 HotTom

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 15:58

Well, then, MiG. what is the point of all the endless FM debates you love to jump into?

If attempting to match historical performance isn't the "motive" (to use a Jimmyism) why bother?

If it's just a game, who cares if the climb rate is accurate?

You can't argue historical accuracy in one area and not another. It's inconsistent.

Ofcourse you can, you can achieve historical accurasy in one, but not other. Your WWI pilot "avatar" is always unhistorical regardless what you write in its bio.

No, if I choose to fly as Mick Mannock or Bob Little or Ray Collishaw, it's not "unhistorical."

It's not a matter of "achieve historical accuracy," the history already is written and available.

Why not strive for being as historically accurate in modeling the pilots as we are in modeling the planes?
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#160 MiG-77

MiG-77
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 16:18

No, if I choose to fly as Mick Mannock or Bob Little or Ray Collishaw, it's not "unhistorical."

It's not a matter of "achieve historical accuracy," the history already is written and available.

Why not strive for being as historically accurate in modeling the pilots as we are in modeling the planes?

Even if you would choose to fly as Mannock, Little, etc it still would be unhistorical as you cannot recreate exaclty what they did. So you are just flying same unihistorical pilot with famous name and bio. Accurately modelling aces means that you as player should never fly as one of them or fight against them.
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