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#81 neuro

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 02:29

im totally gonna get that floor mounted stick.
I've been considering building one for some time but I never actually got started because knowing my usual "redneck engineering" style when I build stuff, I was kind of sure I'd never get anything good enough.
Now the problem is how much does that thing cost
does it have FF, springs, or both?

[EDIT] I *would* buy it… or at least ask the price, faint, wake up again and go "never mind…", but I can't find anything. All I got was http://www.schreinerschmid.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.schreinerschmid.com but no mention of standalone components (only assembled cockpits). Prices are never mentioned.
Oh well.
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#82 J9_Austin

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 23:11

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#83 Eckhart

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 01:40

im totally gonna get that floor mounted stick.
I've been considering building one for some time but I never actually got started because knowing my usual "redneck engineering" style when I build stuff, I was kind of sure I'd never get anything good enough.
Now the problem is how much does that thing cost
does it have FF, springs, or both?

[EDIT] I *would* buy it… or at least ask the price, faint, wake up again and go "never mind…", but I can't find anything. All I got was http://www.schreinerschmid.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.schreinerschmid.com but no mention of standalone components (only assembled cockpits). Prices are never mentioned.
Oh well.


The Schreinerschmid KG13 is a masterpiece of a replica. Full metal, yaw is spring centered, pitch has no center and movement is controlled by a damping device (very close to real). At one point, you could find those sticks distributed through simmarket (Simaviatik) and simware. His main activity is cockpit building but I guess you can always ask him if he could make one of his great sticks for you. The experience is worth every penny! :S!:

Cheers, Eckhart
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#84 Toadvine

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:41

Here's my set up, not really a big deal ! :)
been using this type of setup since the mid nineties.

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This is the one I wish really had tho !
just put a big assed monitor out in front of the HUD
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thats an F-22 mock up.

Am I the only one to recognize that pistol on the desk? This man shoots blackpowder! That looks like a 3rd model Dragoon, but hard to tell for sure.
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#85 =Fifi=

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:44

Hehe…just in case fire is aboard!
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#86 O_Taipan

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 13:00

Here's my 2 monitor setup working with A-10C:
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#87 DonAndres

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 08:00

what do you guys use for head control? I use a PS3 controller mounted just under my throttle, that way my left hand handles throttle and head movement. The ps3 analogue sticks allow you too look quickly then they reset immediatly by going back to their original position. I was wondering what others do?
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#88 O_catarM

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 11:47

what do you guys use for head control? I use a PS3 controller mounted just under my throttle, that way my left hand handles throttle and head movement. The ps3 analogue sticks allow you too look quickly then they reset immediatly by going back to their original position. I was wondering what others do?
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#89 DonAndres

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 01:40

oh dang, that looks sick. i need one
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#90 =AH=_Sid

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 07:42

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#91 Nooney

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 09:39

I take my simming very serious, even had an eye checkup before buying ROF, and came back 20/20 vision, and no one sneaks up behind me, as you can see
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#92 rOEN911

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 10:33

ahahaha
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#93 hq_Jorri

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 10:40

:lol: :lol:
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#94 Der.Mo

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 19:17

:mrgreen: !
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#95 O_Ghost

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 01:37

Wow Sid! Where did the Spit (assuming that's what it is) based control set come from? Home made or purchased? Whatever the source, the whole thing looks very professional, strong and usable.

Looks stunning! The book collection is envy inducing as well.
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#96 Flowbee_602

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 07:19

:shock: Where you guys get all the money?

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#97 gwalch

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 10:10

Is that really Adolf Hitler on Nooney's wall?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#98 Capn_Binky

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 13:11


Sid, thats an awesome looking setup, can you elaborate on the control/seat portion?
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#99 ST_Bandit

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 13:58

this is how i fly

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#100 von_Semmel

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 14:19

this is how i fly

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:lol: :x :lol:
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#101 =AH=_Sid

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 15:24

Wow Sid! Where did the Spit (assuming that's what it is) based control set come from? Home made or purchased? Whatever the source, the whole thing looks very professional, strong and usable.

Looks stunning! The book collection is envy inducing as well.
Thanks, the books are a result of a 35 year fascination with WWI & WWII aircraft, the trouble is finding shelf space for the them all.

Sid, thats an awesome looking setup, can you elaborate on the control/seat portion?
Thanks Guys, the controls are based around the Spitfire, although many aircraft had a similar type layout. They are purchased, but are hand made to order.

I first heard of the "SpitSim" in Dec 07, the brain child of Jon Fellows. Jon is an engineer and Spitfire lover. At the time he was working for a friend of his, Bill Trezise. Bill had a small company called "Simcontrol" which specialised in helicopter controls both for the home (Copycat Controls) and commercial market. Basically a two man outfit as far as I could see when I visited them in Apr 08. The "SpitSim" was Jon's own project though, but using the workshops and website at Simcontrol for the project. Unfortunately Bill Trezise passed away Jul 09 and with him Simcontrol.

The whole thing is very well engineered and a delight to fly with (I've averaged 50hrs a month online with it in Aces High since getting it in Dec 08), the only problem I've had in that time is one broken rudder spring (which was quickly replaced).

They’re of an all metal construction, the Spade grip, rudder pedals and trim wheel being cast aluminium, and most of the rest is made from welded steel plate & box sections.

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The Elevator, Aileron, & Rudder are of the fixed spring type (not FFB) and damped by adjustable hydraulic dampers. You can adjust the force required to move each axis by manually rotating a knob on the end of each damper though seven fixed settings (I know Jon was looking at making these dampers electrically adjustable though the computer to use as a force feedback type system, but I'm not sure how far he has got with that).

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The Throttle quadrant has three usable un-sprung axes available (I use them for Mixture/High Alt-Throttle, Throttle, Radiator). There is also an adjustable friction wheel that controls how stiff the three levers are to move.

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All the axis use 45mm "Slide Potentiometers" which are easy to get at and simple to replace if need be, but so far I haven't had any problems, they seem to give accurate positions without any "spiking".

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The Elevator axis has a unique trim system that through a chained drive repositions the base mounting for the elevator springs. It can be trimed to give a "hands off" trim position any where from fully forward to fully rearward. The trim wheel rotates fully though five revolutions, so quite fine adjustment is possible.

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#102 =AH=_Sid

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 15:25

Button wise there are just the three fitted as standard, a fire button, gear lever and brake lever. There is no "toe brakes" fitted (the Spitfire didn't have them), but at some stage I plan to convert the brake lever from an on/off switch to another usable axis.

I've already made several modifications, I've added a another button to the spade grip and one on the end of the throttle lever,

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replaced the simple windows joystick controller with the electronics from a Thrustmaster Cougar (The computer just sees it as a Cougar, so I can still use "Foxy" to program it),

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and added a mouse table (can't live without a mouse ;) ).

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I've also bolted the seat firmly to the "SpitSim", making the whole thing very solid, there's no movement of anything no matter how energetically I might be flying. :)

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The Seat wasn't part of the "SpitSim", It's one of those Racing/Fltsim add-ons that used to have supports on each side for the normal style joystick and throttle setups. I've also modified it with "Tactile Transducers".

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I know of one other SpitSim owner - John Nation - his review of his SpitSim can be read HERE

Edit: I've just been in contact with Jon Fellows; he continues to build the "SpitSim" and hopes to have a website up and running soon. The "SpitSim" is of a module design; price depends on the modules purchased. Contact him at spitsim@yahoo.co.uk for a price list and further information.
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#103 MarcoRossolini

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 15:34

I take my simming very serious, even had an eye checkup before buying ROF, and came back 20/20 vision, and no one sneaks up behind me, as you can see



:lol: :lol: :lol: :0o: :shock:
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#104 MarcoRossolini

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 15:35

Sid I am soooooo jealous…
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#105 ST_Bandit

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 15:36

LOL have any of you guys ever considered getting a wife :lol:
(lol just a joke before the barage of hate mail follows :o )
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#106 Capn_Binky

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 17:25

Fantastic write up Sid. Thank you.

@ Bandit, lol My wife is the reason I'm on the boards more than playing the SIM. No time to sit down.
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#107 charlo

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 21:39

Great details and fascinating cockpit, Sid - lots of envy going around for your setup!

I noticed you appear to have 2 CH Multi Function Panels. I've been tempted to get one of those, if I decide to not try my hand at "Building your own joystick/flight panel? Check this out…".

How do you like those CH MFPs?

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#108 =AH=_Sid

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 15:44

Thanks Charlo :)

Building your own flight panel can be quite fun but very time consuming, the MFP is much quicker to setup, no reason you can't do both though.

The CH Multi Function Panels work reliably and are very easy to program. They’re great if you use just one specific game.

I laid them out with all the key stokes for Aces High in mind and they work very well for that. Now I've moved over to ROF the layout doesn't make much sense anymore, so I really could do with changing the layout around (then of course I couldn't use them for Aces High).

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There's also a great temptation to use up as many of the buttons as possible (as you can see I have done), where as in reality there are only a few buttons I use all the time and the rest I haven't used in the three years of playing AH (they just end up being clutter).

So less is probably more if you know what I mean, and even better if you have a specific job for the MFP, like say just the controls for a bomber, etc.
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#109 =AH=_Sid

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 16:34

I've just been in contact with Jon Fellows; he continues to build the "SpitSim" and hopes to have a website up and running soon. The "SpitSim" is of a module design; price depends on the modules purchased. Contact him at spitsim@yahoo.co.uk for a price list and further information.

"I have already made a seat module ( which clamps to the crossbeam for rigidity ! ) and a Monitor Support Module which has a slide out draw for keyboard and mouse so that they do not spoil the immersion when pushed forward out of the way. The support is made from water-jet cut 9mm plywood and is basically Frame 8 and Frame 7 replicated, each cut off at floor level and at monitor level. I have attached a pic of 009 taken while being test flown which shows both the Seat Module and the Monitor Support Module."

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"I am also currently fitting an 8-way hatswitch into the throttle handle top for use as a view changer ( for those who do not like to use a Track-IR), and have a lot of additional Modules under development. One of these is the Differential braking system, which was a Dunlop product - as was the spadegrip of course - and this involves a cable from the brake lever down to a linear pot to register brakeline air pressure while a second pot will differentiate left/right rudder control."
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#110 Finkeren

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 08:34

Wow Sid! That's really incredible work. Not something I would ever find time or enthusiasm to do myself.

For me immersion mostly depends on having a good, comfortable seat, ergonomically placed controls and a large enough screen - then I'm sucked right in.
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#111 Cowboy10uk

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 16:07

WOW Sid, Ok Im jealous. I was lucky enough to have a go on this Sim when it was being shown at the Weston Heli Flight sim show earlier this Yr, I must say it was a wonderful flying experience, However The wife found out the price and that was that dream gone, Never found anyone who had managed to get one, so Hugh credit. I think if the Cosford Flight sim show is on again this yr, that it might be on show there as well for those who want to see it. I know it certainly was last yr anyway.

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#112 LW_Jupes

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 14:50

For the ultimate "virtual" cockpit ;)

The Vintage Aviator - Reproduction Items

There's no substitute for having a Wilhelm Morrell Anemometer type airspeed indicator behind a hidden fan whereby the velocity increases with your plane's speed for those of you with that tiny extra bit of disposable income… 8-)
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#113 JCoquillon

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 17:02

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Nothing too fancy - but worth taking a pic while it's all so neat and tidy after building the new PC (won't last for long).
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#114 SYN_Tomslik

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 05:10

Here's my set up, not really a big deal ! :)
been using this type of setup since the mid nineties.

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This is the one I wish really had tho !
just put a big assed monitor out in front of the HUD
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thats an F-22 mock up.

Am I the only one to recognize that pistol on the desk? This man shoots blackpowder! That looks like a 3rd model Dragoon, but hard to tell for sure.

No , its only an 1851 Navy colt , 44 cal, cap n ball pistol imported by Traditions.
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this is my current shootin place, for Flight sims.
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that one on the wall is a 50 cal Trade Rifle by Lyman.
My 'ol lady wanted my 37" monitor for the liv room, so I had to downsize to a 32" monitor.
the monitor on the right is a 19"
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#115 Manny_Pfalz

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 11:20

Be it ever so humble…
Microsoft Sidewinder (no ffb, throttle, twist rudder and usb dongle ;) ) and when you fly like I do, the most important accessory, a big box of tissues! :(

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#116 Haggart85

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 10:01

Be it ever so humble…
Microsoft Sidewinder (no ffb, throttle, twist rudder and usb dongle ;) ) and when you fly like I do, the most important accessory, a big box of tissues! :(

Aww Manny…that's not that bad! Even with my "expensive" toys I still am rubbish compared to most :roll: Perhaps I too need to add a box of tissues to my setup, ha!
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#117 EclecticRazor

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 18:44

Be it ever so humble…
Microsoft Sidewinder (no ffb, throttle, twist rudder and usb dongle ;) ) and when you fly like I do, the most important accessory, a big box of tissues! :(

Aww Manny…that's not that bad! Even with my "expensive" toys I still am rubbish compared to most :roll: Perhaps I too need to add a box of tissues to my setup, ha!

Remember Manny, it takes spirit, practice and determination to be a good pilot - and more of each to be a great one. You can't get those qualities from NewEgg. All the bells and whistles are nice and can certainly help, but "The Right Stuff" referred to the pilot, not the plane.

Save your money and enhance your set-up over time - that's how 95% of the people here have had to do it.
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#118 Manny_Pfalz

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 08:25

Hey guys,
Thanks for the encouragement! But I was just joking around! I don't really cry that often, LOL! I've got everything I need, pitch, roll, yaw, throttle and a keyboard! As Baron von Richtoven might say, "Everything else is rubbish!" The fact that I don't have very good stats has nothing to do with the equipment I'm using and everything to do with my lack of dedication. RoF is a great sim, and I just haven't put in the time and the effort to get good at it. And I probably never will. It's just something I do to relax and have fun! I am getting better, though!
I'll probably never be in the top 100 on any stat board, but that's ok with me. I enjoy RoF in my own time, in my own way.
Cheers,
Brian
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#119 O_Rod

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 07:18

I'm working on something that works, but for now this is where I'm at.

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#120 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 19:08

I had nothing to do yesterday and I started looking at my beat up desk thinking, how can i make this cooler… So i took it outside, and found some OD green paint in the garage and did my thing (also added some screws and brackets) left it to dry for a bit and brought it back in. I went digging through my closet and room to find some old equipment and other junk to slap on it, I also found an old style lightbulb (which I really thought looked cool) so I added a desk lamp too and of course it wouldntt be MY desk without an A&W mug :lol: . I was going for a WW2 field HQ kind of look and figured I could post my new desk here :D

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