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#1 Mandelbaum

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 12:16

I have noticed in "Rise of Flight" that there are many more moving parts in each plane cockpit, switches, pumps, dials likely go unnoticed, but I will guess that eventually, there will be an option for magnetos, fuel pressure pumps, rtc…
Anyway, I thought I would throw in a different spin on the Cockpits, and most of the gauges and knobs are moving parts, be it auto A.I. or manual human.
These are not copies of Squid von Torgar, as his are far better than the ones I have produced to date, but they were an inspiration on this endeavor.
I am basically a research guy (WWII is my time period), but "the Great War" is simply fastinating, the aeroplane tech trees turned from years to weeks. Though I did get pretty deep through "Full Canvas Jacket" (Red Baron 3D re-build), "Rise of Flight" has sure opened a whole new avenue of "Shooter/strategy" genre.
My trusty "graphic guy" is on vacation, so I am learning Adobe (after all of these years), so the pages are a bit dull (for now, 'til Al returns). I have completed 16 Plane Cockpits, but on Adobe, the only two I have created are Albatross D.II and Spad XIII.CI. The rest are on word document and jpegs…
(I should have a real Host Server shortly).

Download here>>>

Spad XIII.CI
http://www.mediafire...upy5anb2fbcc3#1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...upy5anb2fbcc3#1

Albatros D.II
http://www.mediafire...rdxiv2fcol5o5f0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...rdxiv2fcol5o5f0

Reference

777 Studios
J2_Squid
Rise of Flight Forum
Wikipedia
the aerodrome.com
Windsock datafiles
Osprey Publishing
Full Canvas Jacket
Over Flanders Field Forum
thevintageaviator.co.nz
memorial.flight.free.fr
Sim HQ Forums
sosotech.com
WingsofHonor.com

Thanks Much, enjoy!
<more to come>

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#2 Jax_on

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 12:38

Thnx, very interesting information :)
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#3 SYN_Flashman

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 14:13

Just been having a look at the SPAD one, its nice, I learnt a few things! Never noticed the mallet before

however here comes the but..

I think no 20 might be the radiator lever. The radiator lever is definately under there but Im not sure where the bomb lever is.
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#4 Mandelbaum

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 09:40

Thanks for the positives written, here are but a few more "Cockpits", thanks for all the support…



http://www.mediafire...mc5dw86mdxexkdu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...mc5dw86mdxexkdu Fokker E.III
http://www.mediafire...s7078iwh7guoscr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...s7078iwh7guoscr SE5a (with pre flight check)
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#5 SC/JG_Oesau

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 09:44

I like the approach as it has more information that the other guides including mine over located on the wiki Image
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#6 Mandelbaum

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 09:49

Hello Flashmen, yes I need to look inyo that more dilligently. Thanks for keeptng things honest in this current atmosphere…
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#7 hq_Reflected

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 09:51

Thanks for the positives written, here are but a few more "Cockpits", thanks for all the support…



http://www.mediafire...mc5dw86mdxexkdu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...mc5dw86mdxexkdu Fokker E.III
http://www.mediafire...s7078iwh7guoscr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...s7078iwh7guoscr SE5a (with pre flight check)

No 14 is the ammo drum for the Lewis not the Vickers, and 32 is only the place of the ALDIS sight. The sight itself is not featured (yet).

apart from these, great work!
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#8 Jax_on

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Posted 23 December 2010 - 10:00

WOW!!! SE5a startup procedure, has long sought such information! Many thanks again! :)
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#9 Mandelbaum

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 08:03

Good, Well SAID!
Today, try these links for two latest additions…

Fokker DrI http://www.mediafire...fwbblbw8wkp6j8h" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...fwbblbw8wkp6j8h
Fokker DVII http://www.mediafire...5er3clgac4kq5h3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...5er3clgac4kq5h3

Tomorrows symposium shall be Sopwith Camel and Airco DH2. I have had a few minor problems with the Germany Pflaz Cockpits, uh,da mainly… That their Is no real Dashboard/Cockpit!!) though they shall be up shortly.

I am too working on the 0/400 and then too, especially the giant Gotha, which is a blast as a mile-wide target coming from Belgium way.. Be it Central or Entente, Sgt York will soon be making his arrivial…
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#10 Mandelbaum

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Posted 25 December 2010 - 07:30

I did add one Cockpit, http://www.mediafire...44fsd6wrub66nbd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...44fsd6wrub66nbd (Airco DH2), but then "Kelly's Heroes" the greatest "War" movie of all time!! right up there with "The Train" (oops!? wrong War!!)came on the blower and is on screen, and slowing me down on this cold wintery day. I am in sloe mod currently, I have all of the Sopwith designs coming shortly, and finally correcting my Pflaz IIIa…
<Beer break>

http://www.mediafire...44fsd6wrub66nbd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...44fsd6wrub66nbd (Airco DH2)

Happy Christmas
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#11 Mandelbaum

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 05:04

Oops!? I just noticed Albatros D.II has the last few numbers out of sequence (from #24 on), I will correct. In the mean time, I have added Albatross D.III today.
Here the totals thus far>

Airco DH2
http://www.mediafire...44fsd6wrub66nbd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...44fsd6wrub66nbd

Albatros D.II
http://www.mediafire...rdxiv2fcol5o5f0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...rdxiv2fcol5o5f0

Albatros D.III
http://www.mediafire...fl48erlq3oxonfy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...fl48erlq3oxonfy

Fokker DVII
http://www.mediafire...5er3clgac4kq5h3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...5er3clgac4kq5h3

Fokker DrI
http://www.mediafire...fwbblbw8wkp6j8h" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...fwbblbw8wkp6j8h

Fokker EIII
http://www.mediafire...mc5dw86mdxexkdu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...mc5dw86mdxexkdu

SE5a
http://www.mediafire...s7078iwh7guoscr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...s7078iwh7guoscr

Spad XIII.C1
http://www.mediafire...n1upy5anb2fbcc3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...n1upy5anb2fbcc3
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#12 Mandelbaum

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Posted 27 December 2010 - 03:17

Yes thank you hq_Reflected, some details seem to been distorted over the years, I too am anticipating the Aldis… also, thanks SYN_Flashman, hopefully when AL the graphics wiz gets back from vacation, we can all chunck the updates and corrections done… Hopefully, this will be week of Sopwith "family", Finally!! This can be a brutal learning experience, I have learned much very quickly.
Your work SC/JG_Oesau is excellent, and completely original, your Fokker DrI is top notch!
Let's see, hmmm Until then, I have added one more Albatros…..


Albatros D.Va (found at)
http://www.mediafire...w41b2cchus8ik2y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...w41b2cchus8ik2y
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#13 Mandelbaum

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 02:47

The D.II is one of the more popular download ("maps") I have posted, I corrected #24 thru #28 on the "map", here is the new location for that file…

Albatros D.II
http://www.mediafire...t8iwm2dbau73djz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...t8iwm2dbau73djz
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#14 Bando

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 11:13

Awesome stuff mate. thanks for doing this.
Thumbs up

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#15 Millst0ne

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 12:24

These are quite interesting :o


Keep up the good work ;)
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#16 Mandelbaum

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:51

Thank You Andrew Mills, I shall try my ut-most to keep this interesting…

New Cockpits for DL

Sopwith Pup
http://www.mediafire...wxawpxzu3fta9s3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...wxawpxzu3fta9s3

Sopwith Camel
http://www.mediafire...p1dc4kkua7x7aek" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...p1dc4kkua7x7aek
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#17 Millst0ne

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 17:22

Ooooh the pup!


I always wondered what those gizmos in the pup did :mrgreen:
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#18 Millst0ne

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 17:26

Great, One tip though, Use page down key to see under the gun in the pup and triplane, There are gauges under there aswell :mrgreen:
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#19 Brutal_Baron

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 15:11

Thanks to all that have made these cockpit views for us to use.
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#20 Brutal_Baron

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 15:11

Look foward ,if possible, to getting all the plane's cockpit views.
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#21 kirock777

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 22:28

Very very interesting thread and some wonderful and insightful work, Mandelbaum!

But..(oh, yeah)… if the numbers could be a darker color and not neon lime-green
they would be easier to identify at different PDF sizes.

Nice job. Please keep it up, it's much appreciated!!
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#22 kirock777

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 22:29

How I missed that mallet… I'll never know! :lol:
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#23 Mandelbaum

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 07:13

Yup kirok7, good point… I messed this project up in spots, a lighter shade of anything might help, plus also instill some variety to the Adobe Files. My first choice was not that wierd green, but it seemed more readable than black, white, or red (umm, well maybe not).
I had the 'instrument numbers' font at 26, and thought that would be plenty large, but my lack of experience (or lack of judgement) is out the window. I was hoping to fly right thru this project, but my skills (or again, "lack there-of") as a graphics designer/coordinator need some work/polishing. I have always had alot respect for graphics artists, I now have twice as much.
Time for a break, as I was on the torrid pace of two layouts per day, and though I've a few more (Nieuport, Fokker VIII, and Pflaz_D, but they are very basic, any-who), I need to re-do parts…
Let me catch my breath here, and maybe do that ol'fashioned thing called "reading", and fix some of my amateur mistakes.
With the number of hits recieved at "Mediafire", I can easily see that the RoF Community is very supportive by most of the Cockpit/Instrument idea (thank you), so I gotta make good on any Plan B idea.
Hmm <thinks-to-self> …Am I done here!? Wow, talk about the gift of gab. I haven't viewed this thread for 3 or 4 days, oops.

AndrewMills - I hear ya, I thought of that after completing the Pup. That is really my favorite plane in RoF, and while running a "gauge test", my stick calibration was way off, and I instantly noticed how this could have been displayed much better.

Everybody, thanks for all feedback, it is all helpful and creative, thank you much…
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#24 Mandelbaum

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 05:55

…hmmm, I have not heard from my graphics partner for a while… that is basically why I rushed through this mini-project last month. He has vanished, so (for now), I am taking my slow-paced time, and doing a more upbeat cockpit arrangement.
Here is a sample of Albatros D.II, more of the direction I was hoping for at the start.
http://www.mediafire...5rf1aiy85w6qq7d" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...5rf1aiy85w6qq7d

If I simply take my time, do a little more Nieuport research, I will have this all sewen-up within a month (I hope). I am still learning, nothing more than picking up an old Office Windows book and reading won't cure.
I would be safe to say that I can produce two completed cockpits per week. This shall be yet another enriched adventure, here goes…
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#25 Millst0ne

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 11:37

Great!!!!
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#26 Bando

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 00:23

You're doing a great job Mandelbaum.
Thanks for the effords and for your time my friend.

Thumbs up

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#27 Mandelbaum

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 07:52

Thank You Bando, my return to RoF Forums is a welcome thing. I had a minor Cold Virus, feeling better now. In that time though, I have tried to diversify the appearance of these Cockpits so far. Colors red, yellow, black, white are what I worked this last week on previous versions (experimenting), and many graphic upgrade also, etc. Even a border around the document in the color of a nations banner.

New Fokker E.III (Cockpit Map)
http://www.mediafire...zy4qaa52vt24ef4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...zy4qaa52vt24ef4

I think many of the planes thus far are acceptable (to a point), I missed things, and will correct using a whole new layout. I have to say, I really liked red used as the gauge/item locator, but the lime green seem to work best (my opinion).
I have the Germany planes completed (except Fokker VIII), so I have posted this first example with a softer look the Fokker E.III, hopefully much easier to read. Both newcomer Pfalz are ready, Fokker and Albatros not far behind.
Onward and upward, Enjoy!
>>>>>Oh my GOD!! I overlooked the Control Column!? (it is not listed)… hmmm, No problem, this will be corrected, and then resubmitted with the Pfalz.
Cheers out - Thumbs up…
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#28 Flashy

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 09:08

Great work so far MandelBaum, I throughly enjoyed going through all your guides so far. One question: what is a "admiralty meter"? I cant find anything about it on google. What is it for?
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#29 Mandelbaum

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 06:26

Hello Flashy, I had forgotten where I pinched that from, as I have stacks of bookmarks on The Great War Planes. It is a type of attitude gauge to keep dives and climbs within a pre-determined angle. Fortunately, after a few hours of searching www, luck-be-it, I re-found the info at the following weblink…
http://www.theaerodr...up-b1807-3.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theaerodr...com/forum/model … 807-3.html

The messages go as follows:

"Ok, carefully and respectfully, and referenced as well as I can.

This image is copied from Windsock Datafile Special - Sopwith Pup, J.M Bruce, Albatross Publications, Berkhamstead, 1992, page 33:

Attached File  Mysteryinstrument1.jpg   25.68KB   907 downloads

The instrument in question is the long black scale outboard of the main frame, next to the stringers that support the canvas. It isn't the fuel gauge, that's just inboard of the vertical member behind the mystery item - a brass sleeve with a longitudinal slot covering a glass tube.

Does anyone know what the black scale with the red liquid indication is?

Richard
__________________
If you have been, thanks for listening
"

…and so goes the dialogue concerning Sopwith Pup interior at the Aerodrome (I think, mainly the starboard side). The discussion goes on for many more posts, it begins about half way down the thread page, and alot of those odd gauges and instruments are explained (and discussed). This find was "gold", as I refer to the rough sketch I had made when I spotted this thread. Thankfully, I now have a saved bookmark for this Forum Post, interesting stuff to be found, that's for sure!!
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#30 catchov

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 08:13

Yes that's modeled in the RoF Pup :) I always wondered what it was. Good job Mandelbaum and thanks for bringing it up Flashy 8-)
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#31 No43_Moggy

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:35

The new E.III cockpit map document is definitely easier to read for me. I think it's because of the grey background and the appendix is now on a seperate page allowing for a bigger cockpit picture. Great work on these.
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#32 Mandelbaum

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 03:27

o catchov, that was a pure luck find initally, I was working (researching) on Pup for what seemed forever, and then that 180 page thread popped right out at me (thankfully)!!

Moggy - I think the visibility depends on the background, I did (again) redo the Alb III (the example) done on 1024 rez, though it looks washed out, whereas 1260 looks much better, no bleeding, very very sharp contrast… alas, numbers and pointer arrows must be placed strategically, as to give an overall balance. I seem to be progressing a bit more quickly now, learning along the way (as anything, I suppose). I really do enjoy this, but not as much as RoI Sim Flight, that simply tops it all!!
The only plane I have not yet added gauge names etc is the Sopwith Dolphin, and I have recieved some datafile for it today, that is my project for the eve… Cheers
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#33 Millst0ne

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 11:37

Great!
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#34 Mandelbaum

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 08:16

New_Pfalz_D.IIIa
http://www.mediafire...3uzs28op7ug59u1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mediafire...3uzs28op7ug59u1

Very shortly, I will post all of these in a Adobe Pkg, every gauge, button, glass filler, junction, and oddity etc (99%) has been pretty much identified. I am simply getting 'picky' about appearance, the art etc. I want to present a few features (such as a full background color which defines pilots uniform), but I will use clearer judgement from here out, I hope by Feb 12th, to be completed with the core of all current fighter planes…
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#35 maddogs

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 17:54

Hi all,Is there a way to zoom in on the mission maps in order to be better able to see your plane and its direction?
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#36 Dutch2

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 18:25

Any Gotha in the pipeline?
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#37 Mandelbaum

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 07:46

Yup! If it is here for 777, I will work on it. I have been behind on my lazy duff, tinkering with "Highway to the Reich" PC version (again), working on various projects, trying out various Adobe layouts and photo-scapes…
The next RoF batch is near complete (all Sopwith, all Nieuport, which are the most difficult of all to "research"), Dolphin has at least 40 different buttons, gauges, gadgets, etc!@!
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#38 Bando

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:37

Great to hear you're still working on this.
Kudoos

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#39 Mandelbaum

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 23:56

Sorry for my abrupt end last month :roll: , I had some problems with MSWord, health problem, other minor deals. It is again time to resume this project, as intended…
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#40 Mandelbaum

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 10:04

I am wondering, on the Sopwith Triplane (cockpit pictured here), does anybody know what this button is for? Cutoff Fuel for dive, maybe? Padding for the spade grip? I have all of the rest Tripe detailed, but am looking to find the use for this one button/switch, any ideas please? I am stumped, resources are run dry…
any help appreciated.

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