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#1 Interloper

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 22:24

I have been thinking of modeling a Martinsyde F.4 Buzzard. I realize this plane never actually fought in WWI but it is one of the best fighters of the WWI period. I have a couple of questions :?: .

1. I have been looking for reference material, but have not really found much, aside from the image I have attached, and the basic performance stats. I was wondering if anyone has some good material I could look at or could direct me to? (The attached image is clear but does not really match up, not to mention missing some wing area :lol: ) If not I will slug it out with what I got.

2. I would like for this model to match up to RoF standards of models, or at least I will try my best :D. Is there any chance some one could tell me what the max poly count for aircraft is? That way perhaps someday it could fly in RoF skies. I understand devs may not want to really give out this info, so could however has the ability to answer this question PM me?

Thanks a lot!

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#2 Millst0ne

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Posted 27 November 2010 - 22:32

That would be an interesting project for sure!
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#3 Interloper

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 23:11

Well I will take it nobody has anything…

I took another good look around but did not really find anything except for a couple of images from the Martinsyde in the Finnish airplane museum.

Oh well, I have started with what I got. I will see about posting some images as work moves along, I just about have the wings done.
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#4 Millst0ne

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 23:16

Great!
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#5 Interloper

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 02:55

For whoever cares.

Got the wings pretty much done just need to add ribbing and cut out the ailerons, Wheels are ready for mapping seem to render strange though. Tail is almost ready for details.

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#6 Millst0ne

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Posted 30 November 2010 - 11:50

ooh thats coming nicely!
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#7 Interloper

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 03:35

Started the fuselage, its going to be hard to get the shape right.
I think I found a problem with my side view reference. The image is rotated so I will have to fix it in PS. Then start the fuselage over. :lol:

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#8 NewGuy_

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 04:00

Good job. S!
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Something something SPAD. Something something then dive away. 


#9 Interloper

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Posted 02 December 2010 - 17:31

Thanks,

Its turning out to be quite the interesting project.
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#10 Gimpy117

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 05:26

are the spars going to be modeled?
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#11 catchov

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 06:03

:lol: The struts I'm sure will be modelled Gimp :)
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#12 Interloper

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 16:00

Actually, they are already in there!

Just haven't rendered without the canvas yet.

Catchov I assume you meant spars, but the struts will be modeled too, just have not gotten to them yet.
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#13 Gimpy117

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 22:04

yeah sorry i meant spars too.
but you never know maybe he was gonna make a struttless buzzard ;)
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#14 catchov

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 00:03

Ah yes the CV Buzzard {cantilever version} :lol: Nice work so far Interloper. Interesting aircraft. Keep at it :)
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#15 Interloper

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 02:55

Thanks!

Been working on Skins for the new squadron so the Buzzard was not taken out today.

Hope to make some solid progress real soon. Thanks for taking an interest!
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#16 Interloper

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 19:08

Gimpy, Catchov

This one is for you guys!

The Spars were previously completed, just finished adding the struts and extending the fuselage back.

Still a couple of kinks to work out in the fuselage front, they are fairly obvious. I may start rebuilding that soon, as well as model the fuselage frame, that may help me with the shape.

Any suggestions or tips of any kind would be appreciated, helpful criticism is the only way it gets better.

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#17 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 19:26

Lookin great I! Do you think the developers will be able to put it in game?
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#18 Interloper

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 19:48

I honestly hope that they will be able to. Of course I have to make sure it is the best it can be. It would have to be a "What If" plane considering it never actually fought anyway.

If this one turns out good, then I want to try and make something that actually fought in the war.
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#19 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 19:52

4 engine bomber :D or mabey this thing

Looks like a b-29 triplane :)

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#20 Interloper

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 18:38

We shall see. Let me get this single seat done before I start thinking about multi engine/ multi crew aircraft :lol:

I'll admit it would be pretty cool though.
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#21 rkirk77

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 05:04

I am going to start an Airco DH-6 tomorrow.. I might beat him to it, lol. I kid though.. I might try my hand at something more difficult in the near future but for right now, i am enjoying watching Interloper's Buzzard progress!
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#22 Interloper

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 01:15

I know I have not put up much lately, but I have just found some more reference material, so things are looking to pick up now.

Stay Tuned :)
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#23 Interloper

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 03:17

Small update, added most of the bracing wires, and cleaned up the nose a bit.

Also got a tentative rear fuselage in there as well as a place holder for the engine. I am at about 3327 polys.

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I have had enough blurry old black and white pictures for today. But I did find a nice chart of performance figures and measurements. Yay! As well as some vague cockpit shots! :D

Oh P.S. does anyone know what kind of info you get in a Windsock Datafile? They have one for the Martinsyde F.4 Buzzard, I just want to know what level of content you get.

Thanks

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#24 Gimpy117

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 04:17

cool beans!

we might have to do an experimantal german plane to counter. Would be cool if they turned out high quality and 777 could release them as a free "fictional" plane pack. kind of like a IL2 1946 idea

maybe give us the fokker V.27 or something
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basically a D.VIII with a 195 HP in line in it.

or something like the V.23:
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#25 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 06:40

Maybe the Austrian super D.VII :)


Magyar Általános Gépgyár built some after the war with a very impressive version of the Austro-Daimler engine, power and performance escapes me right now. Engine was rated at 200PS, BMW at 185 for reference.

Alternatively we could use something with less drag like that D.VIII indeed so the Germans can finally break out of their <200kph limitations.
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#26 Interloper

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 18:37

Well I figured I might as well give you guys some performance figures. Maybe you would like to do some comparing. :)

Martinsyde F.4 Buzzard

Hispano-Suiza 300 hp V8 F (engine designed for bombers)

Empty Weight:1,710 lbs
Loaded Weight: 2,300 lbs
Fuel Capacity (hours): 2 1/2

Range: 350 miles

Speed (Ground Level): 145 mph
Speed (10,000ft): 139.5 mph
Speed (15,000ft): 134 mph

Climb (to 6,000ft): 3.6 mins.
Climb (to 10,000ft): 6.6 mins.
Climb (to 20,000ft): 19.6 mins.

Ceiling: 30,000 ft

Landing Speed: 45 mph

I found this info at http://www.flightglobal.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.flightglobal.com in the Archive

Gimpy I like that V.23, I might have to do some more research, aswell as that Austrian D.VII Imperator

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#27 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 18:58

It wouldn't be much different from the current 3D model I think, just the engine and possibly cowling I suppose.

But Fokker was quite keen to have those engines installed in his plane, perhaps some would have found their way to the western front in 1919 ;)
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#28 Millst0ne

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 19:02

kind of like a IL2 1946 idea



Rise Of Flight 1919 :D

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#29 Karma-Police

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 20:05

Maybe the Austrian super D.VII :)


Magyar Általános Gépgyár built some after the war with a very impressive version of the Austro-Daimler engine, power and performance escapes me right now. Engine was rated at 200PS, BMW at 185 for reference.

Fokker D.VII(MAG) was fitted with the excellent 225hp Austro Daimler.
But the best plane built in Austria Hungary was the WKF D.I. It's a very beautifull plane.


I'm happy to see someone able to model a plane for ROF.
I hope you'll turn to aircraft more usefull for this game like Hisso SE5a or Albatros D.V for exemple. You will find more information for this type of plane ;)
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#30 Interloper

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Posted 05 January 2011 - 21:02

Well I have always liked the Buzzard so that is why I am modeling it now.
If it turns out well, I would definitely be interested in Modeling some others that are "more useful".

I have a bad habit right now of picking the planes with the least amount of easy to access reference! :lol:

I don't know if I am able to model a plane for RoF, right now I am just trying to make one that matches the level of the ones already made. I don't know what the devs think of this little project right now, but we shall see.
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#31 Gimpy117

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 01:59

Gimpy I like that V.23, I might have to do some more research, aswell as that Austrian D.VII Imperator

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I thought it was cool too. heres what wikipedia has to say:

V.23 was related to the V.20 and V.21. It was evaluated by the German Army and rejected due to poor forward visibility (presumably on landing). The V.23 was powered by a 119 kW (160 hp) Mercedes III engine, was 5.8 m (19 ft) long, had a wingspan of 8.73 m (28.64 ft), a height of 2.65 m (8.69 ft). The wing area was 11.12 m² (119.69 ft²), the empty weight was 673 kg (1,484 lb), maximum weight 853 kg (1,881 lb). The maximum speed of the V.23 was 200 km/h (124 mph). Armament was two 7.92 mm (.312 in) machine guns
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#32 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 02:15

Didn't the DR.1 have poor landing visibility :) something about the wings folding up like blinds.
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#33 piecost

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 18:16

Interloper, I admire the work that you have done so far and have been keeping an eye out for relevant data.

The following are extracts from: British Aeroplanes 1914-18, J.M. Bruce & British Aviation, The Great War and Armistice 1915-1918 by Harold Penrose.

Keep at it and I look forward to flying this Uberplane !

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#34 Interloper

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 23:44

piecost! Thank you very much!

That performance and figures sheet should be very handy.
There was some info in those pages there that I have not come across in my search.

The Bombs were a nice surprise, did not know they could carry them. Wow it even gives the price of the airframe!

It is a shame they did not quite make it in time…

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#35 Interloper

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 01:36

Okay I just have to put this shot up!

It is really starting to look like the Buzzard now!
(I promise not to put up anymore updates that are just barely updates :lol: Only big steps in progress from now on)

Man this thing really sticks its nose up high and proud on the ground, I may have to check my proportions again…

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#36 =Fifi=

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:23

Wow…looks cool 8-)
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#37 catchov

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:34

Man that's hot :) What a rugged, tough looking bird …. with performance to match :P
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#38 piecost

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:35

Looking good, it really looks like the SE5's better looking brother.

I didn't know that there was a survivor in the Air Museum of Central Finland, Perhaps someone will be able to take some photos for you. It seems that the aeroplane was used post-war in Russia, Span and Finland. Maybe a pilot account of its flying qualities exists in one of those countries ?
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#39 Interloper

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 17:20

Glad you guys like it.

It is like a bigger stronger Se5a. I did a poly count last night and I'm around 5000 polys, I am not sure what the max polygon limit is for aircraft in RoF, but I want to keep it under 6000. That is my goal. Its crunch time now! There is still a lot I need to do: machine guns, prop, control wires, frame, etc. I may need to refine some stuff later.

I actually found a couple images from the museum in Finland. Though I certainly could use some different angles. However I think the Buzzard they may be slightly modified, but I am not sure.
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#40 rkirk77

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 14:56

Finland.. wow The model looks really good and i hope you and 777 can work something out so that we see that plane in-game!
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