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#81 J2_squid

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:00

Indeed, talk about the glass being half empty. Guys the bombsight looks wonderful. Its great to use and does the job. Who here has ever looked through a real ww1 bombsight anyway? What excatly is the view you want? If you werent told is wasnt totally authentic would you have noticed?

The point is we are getting multicrewed bombers that should be something to rave about. :)
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#82 WWSittingduck

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:04

very very cool
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#83 150GCT_Veltro

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:09

It's good enough for me as GUI. Use time for cockpit details, textures ecc. ecc.. and first of all for the explosion effect. It will be terrific i think.
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#84 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:11

One minor suggestion. "Zoom" seems a bit anachronistic. Perhaps "Magnification" or "Focal Length" (abbreviated) would be more fitting for the period? Or unlabeled except for an x1, x2, x3 etc.
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#85 Endy

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:11

The bomb sight looks great, and it's based on knowledge they had in WW1.

The Gorz telescopic sight was used for night use in 1916.

The first British sight was nails and wire.
A chap called Lt.Scott of the US Navy devised one similar in 1912, and evolved soon after the outbreak of war by Lt.R.B.Bourdillion of No.6 Squadron RFC.
Because of this he was sent to the Central flying school at Upavon and helped in designing the CFS bomb-sight. Which became standard for the RFC and RNAS until late 1917.
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#86 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:24

Manual for the Mark 1 bombsight.

Mark I Bombsight Handbook

Edited to note that this manual is not for the British Mark IA high altitude bombsight, but the US Army Mark 1 Bomb Sight (for training and low altitude bombing).
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#87 Endy

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:27

Really? Frowns on a thread that announces a bombsight? OK I take it back about not caring about visual comprimises made in the interest of utility. Let's make the sight so that the player has to close one eye and place the other eye directly on his TrackIr while his right hand is motioning directions to his wife who flys the bomber with an old steering wheel duct tapped to the joystick.

This is just silly, how can a wife fly a plane, when she's holding the watering-can in one hand, and the high=speed fan in the other, [for the sake of realism].

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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#88 Jason_Williams

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:40

Really? Frowns on a thread that announces a bombsight? OK I take it back about not caring about visual comprimises made in the interest of utility. Let's make the sight so that the player has to close one eye and place the other eye directly on his TrackIr while his right hand is motioning directions to his wife who flys the bomber with an old steering wheel duct tapped to the joystick.

This is just silly, how can a wife fly a plane, when she's holding the watering-can in one hand, and the high=speed fan in the other, [for the sake of realism].

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now that's funny! LOL

We know not everyone would be thrilled, but like I said this is one area where technology limitations hurts and we have to make a compromise. Give me $5 million bucks and 8 years and we'll build you everything you want.

Jason
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#89 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:43

The manual for the Mark I Bombsight refers to filling marking grooves with "radiolite" so they would show up at night. It took me awhile to figure out that this refers to the radium-phosphor mixture that glows in the dark (and was used on watch hands).
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#90 VonHelton

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 17:59

Really? Frowns on a thread that announces a bombsight? OK I take it back about not caring about visual comprimises made in the interest of utility. Let's make the sight so that the player has to close one eye and place the other eye directly on his TrackIr while his right hand is motioning directions to his wife who flys the bomber with an old steering wheel duct tapped to the joystick.

This is just silly, how can a wife fly a plane, when she's holding the watering-can in one hand, and the high=speed fan in the other, [for the sake of realism].

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now that's funny! LOL

We know not everyone would be thrilled, but like I said this is one area where technology limitations hurts and we have to make a compromise. Give me $5 million bucks and 8 years and we'll build you everything you want.

Jason

A mod can be made later for the "puritans"……For me, it's good enough. Let's fly!

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#91 Endy

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 18:05

For me it's better than good enough, it's a very pleasant suprise.
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#92 -Ginge-

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 18:07

I am very happy to start off with a generic bombsight as long as it has the correct parameters and functions correctly.

It is the process of lining up, carefuly adjusting course and waiting until the correct moment to drop, while being hounded by enemies that I want
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#93 DJManiac

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 18:27

Really Really very very nice!!! Well Done… Many Bombers will be happy about this!
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#94 IRFC_SmokinHole

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 19:18

:cry: <—-

Really? Frowns on a thread that announces a bombsight? OK I take it back about not caring about visual comprimises made in the interest of utility. Let's make the sight so that the player has to close one eye and place the other eye directly on his TrackIr while his right hand is motioning directions to his wife who flys the bomber with an old steering wheel duct tapped to the joystick.

There. I that worth one of these —-> :P

Don't know why I care…but to be clear I wrote this, not Gavagai.
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#95 SC/JG_Oesau

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 20:57

I am very happy to start off with a generic bombsight as long as it has the correct parameters and functions correctly.

It is the process of lining up, carefuly adjusting course and waiting until the correct moment to drop, while being hounded by enemies that I want

Add to this the effect turbulence and you'll have a ball
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#96 LukeFF

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 22:12

Loft assures me that whatever parameters each side's bomber crews had to use is present and work as they should.

And therein lies the key point.
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#97 Rankor

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 04:13

:idea: Hello Jason,

Just a thought, I know you guys are inundated with OPT's, (other peoples thoughts), but since you wonderful guys at 777 have come this far with a bombsight now I'd like to tug on your pants leg and maybe you guys can expand this.

I recently posted a few thoughts about missions for the campaign. I talked about two but actually since then I've thought of a 3rd. Quick run through.

1.) Observation mission - Requirement, fly to and remain around target airspace within a certain
radius and altitude band, (wiggle room) for a given amount of time, then return of
course for a successful mission.

2.) Photo recon mission - *This is where I'm going with your developing bombsight*
Fly to target, (town/airfield/trench line etc.) Must fly straight and
and level to capture good pic's (no banking) cameras being what they
were in those days, (flak could be your biggest worry here!),
survive and return. The cool part would be if after the mission you
could get the series of pic's developed, like screen shots with the
target circled! Cool huh?

3.) Shipping attack - Someday I hope you guys crank out a few ships, nothing too big, nothing
bigger than say a destroyer and a sub.
Objective obviously, sink the ship, (random). The bigger the ship, the
more AA fire defense. However, with the sub, you need to get to it "Fast"
before it dives too deep to avoid destruction as it begins to dive soon
after it's been spotted.

All three of these missions, were from old board games I played as a kid and vividly remember how cool they were. Avalon Hills' "Richthoffens War" and another called "WINGS", can't remember the company.

I know you guys are feverishly trying to make target dates for the cool stuff your working on, just hope that the ideas I've suggested can maybe be worked in later. The bombsight could very well be the camera, so that's my 2 cents worth of contribution to the cause.

Thanks for your ear and keep up the good work! <S>!

Von_Steiner
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#98 FlyingShark

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 04:46

Those are some good ideas. However, for the ships, we will need a map with a seaside. I read in simhq interview that new maps are really not priority for the momment but who knows one day.

~S~
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#99 Flashy

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 07:18

Well, as I said, the bombsight looks very cool, and I cant wait to try it out!

As an aside, making a MK 1A could be a cool project for the modders. You could make the whole mechanism as a 3D model, and then the bomber has to align the sights using mouselook, or trackIR? could be fun to play with, and they could add it to the sides of 2 seaters like in that one pic I posted?
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#100 Mogster

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:57

I think the Mk1a wa only used on the O400, it looks huge, too big for other common British bombers like the FE2 and DH4 series.

I wonder if the FE2 and DH4 had much in the way of bombsight mechanisms at all? I can believe they just flew vaguely over the target and pulled the release lever.
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#101 Flashy

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 12:04

I think the Mk1a wa only used on the O400, it looks huge, too big for other common British bombers like the FE2 and DH4 series.

I wonder if the FE2 and DH4 had much in the way of bombsight mechanisms at all? I can believe they just flew vaguely over the target and pulled the release lever.

I dont think it was very big. See these pictures I posted earlier , you can see that its much less than a meter long, quite close to the size of a loaf of bread in fact:


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#102 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 12:14

Udet mentions British two-seaters attacking ground forces and they flew very low, I don't recall exactly how high but something like 50-200m. At that altitude a bomb site is probably not needed and apparently they hit the train(s) perfectly.

edit: Found it:
I remember one day when six of us flew low along the front with Richthofen at our head. We were 300 meters up and going south when we spied three English two-seaters flying 50 meters above a roadway along which our troops were trying to move up. The planes were using both machine guns and bombs and our infantry was suffering heavily. We went at them. Two of them at once turned and fled. The third was so busy dropping bombs that he did not see us coming. He had dropped four devastating charges before we reached him. The next moment he was shot down burning by Richthofen. Hitting the ground, his Armstrong two-seater blew up with a mighty explosion, our soldiers scattering speedily in every direction.

Remember, historically, air combat only took place at 5000m :roll:

Anyway, at that altitude I doubt they were using any bomb sight :) Question is if they flew this low because their bomb sight was useless or for other reasons.
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#103 Mogster

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 14:07

I think the Mk1a wa only used on the O400, it looks huge, too big for other common British bombers like the FE2 and DH4 series.

I wonder if the FE2 and DH4 had much in the way of bombsight mechanisms at all? I can believe they just flew vaguely over the target and pulled the release lever.

I dont think it was very big. See these pictures I posted earlier , you can see that its much less than a meter long, quite close to the size of a loaf of bread in fact:


http://www.nationalm...F-1234P-005.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nationalm...m.af.mil/shared … 4P-005.jpg
http://www.nationalm...F-1234P-001.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nationalm...m.af.mil/shared … 4P-001.jpg
http://www.nationalm...F-1234P-004.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nationalm...m.af.mil/shared … 4P-004.jpg

http://images.google...e8f5829d4d4ed22" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? … 29d4d4ed22

http://images.google...=899&tbs=isch:1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? … s%3Disch:1

http://images.google...=899&tbs=isch:1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? … s%3Disch:1

Agreed, it looks more like a slide rule with attachments in those pics. The museum photos are deceptive.
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#104 sallee

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 19:49

So, I don't know much about WWI bombsights…

In Il-2, when you switched to bombsight position, you could still control the AC, is that possble in the 0400?

That looks very nice! I can't wait to buy this thing!!!


Looks as if you can at least say "left left..right"!
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#105 W1ndy

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 01:06

It's gonna be like lining up a big fat freighter in Silent Hunter, only much better.

Knobs and dials FTW
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#106 J9_Austin

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 02:48

It's fantastic! and with the zoom feature I won't have to miss the BochiBall tournement. GO HAMBURG! :D
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#107 =Fifi=

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 04:16

Just back from few days East cost of island…
:o Very cool feature, and nicely done 8-)
I didn't know WW1 bombers were bomb sight equiped :shock:
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#108 ArcticWolf

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 04:26

It's fantastic! and with the zoom feature I won't have to miss the BochiBall tournement. GO HAMBURG! :D
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LOL Austin :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#109 AB1_CamelJock

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 05:21

I will be flying high above the fighters doing their dance of death, admiring the beauty of the landscape below. Before I carpet bomb it all to h***!! in my wonderful new bomber plane…..
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#110 Frankyboy

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 14:23

doubtfull in the HP - what was its ceiling , 8500ft/2500m ?!?!?
ok, thats service ceiling and its absolute ceiling might be higher - but realy much ? :D

well, and imagine the time needed to get this beast bombloaded so "high".I guess the most online maps will have changed to another map before you will be there ;)
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#111 Mogster

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 15:00

23mins to 5000ft it says on wiki :lol:

I can see air starts being popular ;)
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#112 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 15:27

With all that wing surface you'd think it'd take off then take a 90 Straight up to 30,000' :lol: :D
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#113 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 15:42

23mins to 5000ft it says on wiki :lol:

I can see air starts being popular ;)

That is probably without bombs… ;)
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#114 Mogster

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 15:58

10% fuel….

Arf :lol:
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#115 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 16:03

I think 2-5% will be popular online :D
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#116 Millst0ne

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 16:04

10% fuel….

Arf :lol:

Hmmmmm…..Lets put some rocket fuel in those engines. And all this slow climb stuff for a plane with 360 hp engines :lol:
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#117 Marco_._

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 18:02

I think 2-5% will be popular online :D

not that it will turn that plane into dogfighter 8-)
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