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#41 gavagai

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 01:50

Wow! :shock: :)
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#42 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 02:24

As LOFT mentioned, the controls are clickable in regards to the bombsight view.
Well, with this confirmation I can hardly remain sceptical, now can I?

Let me join in the chorus of those who have said: Wow, way to go! :)
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#43 TheBlackPenguin

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 02:36

Hmmm, wonder what it would be like to dive-bomb with the O/400? lol.

Nice, I love how ROF is seriously coming together with all these goodies, but I am really looking forward to a 'Brisfit'.
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#44 ST_ami7b5

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 05:36

Excellent! Excellent!!!
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#45 O_Rod

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 06:11

This is going to revolutionise warefare, oh wait, that's been done already. Well it's going to revolutionise RoF gameplay. Please put some target planes and such at the bad guys airstrips :)
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#46 BroadSide

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 07:06

Looks incredible!
makes me want to take the handly into a steep climb and start carpet bombing planes right below me (with enough bombs you can make a long wall of bombs for enemies to run into :D ), all the while my gunners are doing their own impression of Han/Luke/Chewy in SW ep.4 (that's #1 to the ancient among us).
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#47 -Ginge-

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 07:34

Very impressed and looking forward to this. I did not realise that Norden type bombsights were around in the Great War.

I have greatly enjoyed bomb runs in IL2 using Norden and so my interest has been very much awakened.
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#48 wrong_name_492

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:59

Bring it out! Bring it out!
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#49 BH_VonHess

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 10:27

The bombsight looks exellent, Just another very immersive feature that will compliment a very immersive game. Thanks to the team for your continued work.
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#50 Flashy

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 10:44

It does look very good, and well done to the team for another great feature!

but, isnt it too modern for WW1? It looks like a 1940's - 1950's design. Is this what the Drift Sight Mk 1A bombsight looked like, or is it a Norden sight? I dont know much about bombsights, so I am not criticizing, just asking! :)
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#51 Millst0ne

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 11:14

It does look very good, and well done to the team for another great feature!

but, isnt it too modern for WW1? It looks like a 1940's - 1950's design. Is this what the Drift Sight Mk 1A bombsight looked like, or is it a Norden sight? I dont know much about bombsights, so I am not criticizing, just asking! :)



Thats what i thought :o
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#52 Millst0ne

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 11:14

It looks like something you would see on a b17
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#53 Flashy

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 11:24

I think it is a more modern design. Maybe they decided that the Mk 1A was too difficult to use! :D here are some pics of the MK 1A - it doesnt look very simple to figure out!

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it seems to consist of two sights, one fixed and one which can move depending on what you set all those wheels and dials to. Then there are two spirit levels to ensure you are square with your target (presumably?). I cant imagine this thing being accurate at all, its far too fiddly..

here are some pics of a chap trying to use it:

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http://images.google...=899&tbs=isch:1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? … s%3Disch:1

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#54 Der_Sevtl

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:02

Cool picture! :shock:
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#55 Millst0ne

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:10

Oh my……
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#56 Endy

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:23

The following is taken from a "History of the World Wars Special"

More scientific.
During the last eighteen months of the war, bomb-sights became vastly more complicated as more was understood about the theory of bombing.
Sights fitted to large bombers could take account of the height of an aircraft above the target, its airspeed, the wind velocity, and the ammount of drift when flying across the wind. First spirit levels and then gyrostats were used to level the sight.

Single seaters used simpler sights.
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#57 IRFC_SmokinHole

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:29

I think it is a more modern design. Maybe they decided that the Mk 1A was too difficult to use! :D here are some pics of the MK 1A - it doesnt look very simple to figure out!

Doesnt look that complicated to me. (Remember, that sight in the first link is from 1942.) If you study the diagram the sight has corrections for wind, TAS, altitude, and two spirit levels. Those are the absolute minimum inputs a bombsight would need to hit a target. Look at Loft's screen shot. It has all the same stuff except a horizontal sight. And since crews weren't precision bombing ships in 1918, maybe it wasn't needed. I mean it doesn't take much skill for a pilot to see his target drift relative to whatever part of his plane touches the horizon, make a correction, and check again untill the target remains fixed. That would certainly be enough to hit factories, towns, and airfields.
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#58 WF2

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:37

Well there goes the neighborhood ! …. nice feature RoF!
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#59 Flashy

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:42

I think it is a more modern design. Maybe they decided that the Mk 1A was too difficult to use! :D here are some pics of the MK 1A - it doesnt look very simple to figure out!

Doesnt look that complicated to me. (Remember, that sight in the first link is from 1942.) If you study the diagram the sight has corrections for wind, TAS, altitude, and two spirit levels. Those are the absolute minimum inputs a bombsight would need to hit a target. Look at Loft's screen shot. It has all the same stuff except a horizontal sight. And since crews weren't precision bombing ships in 1918, maybe it wasn't needed. I mean it doesn't take much skill for a pilot to see his target drift relative to whatever part of his plane touches the horizon, make a correction, and check again untill the target remains fixed. That would certainly be enough to hit factories, towns, and airfields.

the first pic link I posted is the Mk 1A sight, which was fitted to the HP O/400, so it cant be 1942 surely?

EDIT: Ah, I see where you got 1942: from the cadet picture. I think they were just using the MK 1A there as a training aid for cadets, it doesnt mean the sight was from 1942, just the picture. By 1942, they were using things like this, which were much more complicated:

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#60 J.j.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 13:06

Well, the correct question is:

is this bombsight an historical bombsight, based on an existing model built in WW1, or a recreation which will find place in all ROF bombers, Gotha included?

PS: edit because of very bad English spelling an grammar :D
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#61 gavagai

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 13:06

Don't forget that by WW1 Newton had been dead for almost 200 years. All of the knowledge needed for a very complicated bombsight had existed for generations.
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#62 Hyneman

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 13:13

Only difference is that Newton used apples instead of bombs. :mrgreen:

I'm really looking forward to all this bombing stuff
and I also like the idea of having clickable areas. :)
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#63 kirock777

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 13:31

Very nice! Thanks, Jason!!!
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#64 hq_Overmax

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 14:39

One step closer to my bombing runs MWHAHAHA

Awesome stuff thanks for sharing. ;)
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#65 Frankyboy

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 14:58

i would not have expected to get a zoom, but hey, if not "historical", its a game :)
the groundattack/bomber guys will have it difficult enough , so :D
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#66 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 15:02

We need to get a hundred of these & just go carpet bombing and see all of the awesome destrustion we bring upon those jerry bastards!
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#67 gavagai

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 15:17

i would not have expected to get a zoom, but hey, if not "historical", its a game :)

Again, why the assumption that 1914-1918 was the technological equivalent of the dark ages? :P
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#68 J.j.

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 15:26

i would not have expected to get a zoom, but hey, if not "historical", its a game :)

Again, why the assumption that 1914-1918 was the technological equivalent of the dark ages? :P

I'm just curious, to extent my knowlegde of the bombsight models and techniques used by both German and English industries. I have not ideas how they were used, nor what is the model seen on the pictures on the first page.

EDIT: ok, I had my answer, this is not an "historical" bombsight.
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#69 B24_LIBERATOR

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 15:39

The zoom acted just like a camera zoom, you turn the knob and the lenses get either closer or farther away, just like using a telescope, on the other end, was a frosted piece of glass, on which the picture was projected onto, or, in this case, a viewfinder.
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#70 IRFC_SmokinHole

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 15:49

Well, the correct question is:

is this bombsight an historical bombsight, based on an existing model built in WW1, or a recreation which will find place in all ROF bombers, Gotha included?

PS: edit because of very bad English spelling an grammar :D

On this one I have to say I don't care. The reason I don't care is that I can see with the photo from a few posts back that the adjustments are scattered throughout the mechanism. Whereas the sight in the screenshot has everything on one screen. That's the way I want it. Others have very valid reasons to disagree but to me allowances have to be made for the fact that we are flying the bomber and looking at a single screen.
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#71 gavagai

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 15:54

Ok, read back through the thread some more.

I really do wish this bombsight looked like the real thing.
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#72 Viper69

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 16:07

Does anyone know what the steepest angle the HP was able to release bombs? I am asking because in a WW2 game I used to play online the level bombers were abused and used as huge dive bombers. I hope this does not happen with the HP, but given that its a game I dont doubt we will be seeing HP dive bombing at least shallow angle bombing.
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#73 Sirocco

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 16:17

I think it's important to know what this sight is based on, what aircraft it will be used on, and whether CP aircraft will have their own specific sight. The picture is nice, and it's always good to have an update, but it does raise some questions.
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#74 Jason_Williams

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 16:26

As of right now the Bombsight is our Default bombsight for all bombers. We do not have time or resources to build different looking bombsights and basing them on exact replica's is impossible due to the way we have to create a bombsight using a GUI and not 3D. Loft assures me that whatever parameters each side's bomber crews had to use is present and work as they should. I personally hope in the future we can have different art for each side, but right now that is not possible. Hopefully in the future.

This is one area in which we had to compromise.

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#75 Pimpin

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 16:28

So its a 'made up' bombsight? :(
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#76 Sirocco

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 16:29

Would this be something the community could help out on?

If not, well, c'est la vie.
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#77 Pimpin

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 16:31

Or c'est la RoF…
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#78 Jason_Williams

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 16:32

So its a 'made up' bombsight? :(

A bit of asrtistic license given our options. It functions the same way as the real thing. If you don't like it don't buy it, but we do the best with the resources, time and options we have.

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#79 gavagai

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 16:51

Understood Jason. I will still buy it because what I see there looks very nice.
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#80 IRFC_SmokinHole

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 16:57

:cry: <—-

Really? Frowns on a thread that announces a bombsight? OK I take it back about not caring about visual comprimises made in the interest of utility. Let's make the sight so that the player has to close one eye and place the other eye directly on his TrackIr while his right hand is motioning directions to his wife who flys the bomber with an old steering wheel duct tapped to the joystick.

There. I that worth one of these —-> :P
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