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#41 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 21:22

As we get to the lower-scoring aces, it would be good to have some cut-off numbers for each of the five significant dates so we don't waste time adding pilots who don't stand a chance of making the top 50 list for one of those dates. By this point you should have enough data to give us at least a fair estimate.

e.g. By end of Jan 1917, a pilot needs at least 5 kills to have a chance
by the end of Jul 1917, 10 kills
etc, etc.

So that if a pilot doesn't make at least one of the critera we can ignore him.

That way we can cull out the uninteresting aces and focus on the ones that will be shown.
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#42 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 04:46

Corrected misspelling for Julius Arigi (my original had Ariga… and, like my original, has correct date for 29th kill.)

Attached File  Arigi-ace.zip   2.73KB   31 downloads

Walter von Bülow-Bothkamp, Germany, 28 victories.

Attached File  Buelow-Bothkamp-ace.zip   2.78KB   29 downloads

Corrected file for Samuel Marcus "Kink" Kinkead… original had several inappropriate zeros.

Attached File  Kinkead-ace.zip   2.74KB   29 downloads

Corrected file for Frank Granger Quigley… original had several inappropriate zeros.

Attached File  Quigley-ace.zip   2.73KB   30 downloads

Corrected file for Kurt Wolff… original had several inappropriate zeros.

Attached File  Wolff-ace.zip   2.73KB   30 downloads

(It is my method of working that leads to these errors… I fill in the significant dates and then go back and fill in the in-between stuff… and sometimes miss some of those. However, when I merge these into the master file the errors become obvious. In the future I'll do the merge before publishing the data to avoid these errors. That will be slower, but more reliable.)
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#43 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 03:10

OK, I've answered my own question by looking at the data gathered so far. However, I don't know whether the stats are for the beginning or end of the month, so I've looked up both.

To have a chance of being included in at least one of the top fifty aces lists an ace should have at least:
1 kill by Jan 1, 1917 or 1 kill by Jan 30, 1917 or
5 kills by Jul 1, 1917 or 6 kills by Jul 30, 1917 or
16 kills by Jan 1, 1918 or 17 kills by Jan 30, 1918 or
27 kills by Jul 1, 1918 or 29 kills by Jul 30, 1918 or
35 kills by Nov 1, 1918 or 35 kills by Nov 11, 1918.

All these numbers, except the last two, are subject to change as aces are added, but they provide a method of screening out those who will never show up on one of the top 50 lists.

Robert Ritter von Greim, Germany, 28 kills.

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#44 Tom-Cundall

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 07:24

Tushka - i wanted to know that as well but couldn't think how to work it out. Good stuff.

If anyone wants to help with this it's fairly easy you just go to theaerodrome.com look up an ace and transcribe their kills into the excel sheet (provided it meets the kill deadlines that Tushka has listed above)

I'll try and do dome more later.
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#45 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 16:40

It is possible that the lists are supposed to be for the 1st of the month rather than the 30th… which would likely shift some of the numbers down by one or so, so if you have a favorite ace who just misses the cut off, put them in anyway :)

I'll go back and add the numbers for the first of the month to the list.
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#46 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:22

Errata: Should Hoidge (Reginald Theodore Carlos "Georgie" Hoidge) perhaps be listed as CAN rather than GBR? He was Canadian.

Errata: Should "Pinsart" perhaps be listed as "Pinsard"? theaerodrome.com has his name spelled as Armand Pinsard.

Fritz Otto Bernert, Germany, 27 kills

Attached File  Bernert-ace.zip   2.74KB   34 downloads

Hans Kirschstein, Germany, 27 kills

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Adolf Ritter von Tutschek, Germany, 27 kills

Attached File  Tutschek-ace.zip   2.78KB   34 downloads

Kurt Wüsthoff, Germany, 27 kills

Attached File  Wuesthoff-ace.zip   2.78KB   21 downloads

Eduard Ritter von Dostler, Germany, 26 kills

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#47 Criquet

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 17:33

Merci Tushka ,

Jean Casale , ok january / july 1917 .

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#48 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 02:02

To keep duplicate work to a minimum, here is my personal update… including the files criquet and I have recently submitted, plus the above-mentioned errata.

The significant months (and beginning and end dates) are marked in color. Those are the columns I used to compile the top-50 cutoffs earlier (though with fewer entries than this.)

I've also corrected some formatting errors in various entries to make them all consistent.

If you are working on this, please download this file as a reference for what has already been done.

Attached File  aces_source_tushka_summary_27sept.zip   16.62KB   27 downloads

Han, if you will tell me whether the July 1918 list is compiled as of July 1 or July 30, I think I can create that top 50 list with the current data. Remaining aces to be added have no more than 26 kills.

Latest version:Attached File  aces_source_tushka_summary_28sept.zip   16.87KB   30 downloads
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#49 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 03:08

Gerald Joseph Constable Maxwell, Great Britain (Scotland), 26 kills.

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Keith Logan "Grid" Caldwell, New Zealand, 25 kills.

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#50 Han

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 08:40

As we get to the lower-scoring aces, it would be good to have some cut-off numbers for each of the five significant dates so we don't waste time adding pilots who don't stand a chance of making the top 50 list for one of those dates. By this point you should have enough data to give us at least a fair estimate.

e.g. By end of Jan 1917, a pilot needs at least 5 kills to have a chance
by the end of Jul 1917, 10 kills
etc, etc.

So that if a pilot doesn't make at least one of the critera we can ignore him.

That way we can cull out the uninteresting aces and focus on the ones that will be shown.
This is DAMN RIGHT approach!
Look at updated summary table - I've added Up-to-Date Top-50 sheet to it. You may see that we have ONLY 15 aces (5 and more victories) for 1st Sep. 1916 for now. I'm supposing that we have missed some aces in this period.

ALSO

Look at the table - i've marked by
red highlighting aces who have missed data for 1.sep.1916 - 31.dec.1916 period (Ball, Brumowski, Buckler, Gilmour, Little, McCudden, Müller). Please somebody - fill this gap.

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You're AWESOME, thank you!

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Thank you for Jean Casale!

2 All guys:
Please, take a part here, here is much help needed!

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#51 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 12:19

I hope I did this correct :roll:
… to implement Aces who are already dead by Sep.1916 but have a chance to enter the Top 50? Like Immelmann for example?

Henry Cope Evans, GBR, 5 victories, KIA 3.September 1916
Attached File  Evans-ace.rar   2.17KB   14 downloads

Otto Parschau, DEU, 8 victories, KIA 21.July 1916
Attached File  parschau-ace.rar   2.08KB   15 downloads

Kurt Wintgens, DEU, 19 victories, KIA 25. September 1916
Attached File  wintgens-ace.rar   2.09KB   15 downloads

Max Immelmann, DEU, 17 victories, KIA 18. June 1916
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#52 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 13:41

Because I had abit of time I continued with early aces in the hope its correct.


Max von Mulzer, DEU, 10 victories, + 16.Sept.16
Attached File  von mulzer-ace.rar   2.18KB   15 downloads

Sidney Cowan, GBR, 7 victories, + 17.Nov.16
Attached File  cowan-ace.rar   2.17KB   14 downloads

Patrick A. Langan-Byrne, GBR, 10 victories, + 17Oct.16
Attached File  langan-byrne-ace.rar   2.1KB   15 downloads

Stefan Kirmaier, DEU, 11 victories, + 22.Nov.16
Attached File  kirmaier-ace.rar   2.1KB   15 downloads

Lanoe G. Hawker, GBR, 7 victories, + 23.Nov.16
Attached File  hawker-ace.rar   2.17KB   14 downloads

Hans Schilling, DEU, 8 victories, + 4.Dec.16
Attached File  schilling-ace.rar   2.19KB   13 downloads

Arthur G. Knight, CAN, 8 victories, + 20.Dec.16
Attached File  knight-ace.rar   2.18KB   15 downloads

Gustav Leffers, DEU, 9 victories, + 27.Dec.16
Attached File  leffers-ace.rar   2.18KB   14 downloads

Hans von Keudell, DEU, 12 victories, +15 Feb.17
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#53 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 16:24

Some more early aces, who can possibly make it into the early TOP50:

Friedrich Manschott, DEU, 12 victories, +16.Mar.17
Attached File  manschott-ace.rar   2.19KB   17 downloads

Eric Pashley, GBR, 8 victories, +17.Mar.
Attached File  pashley-ace.rar   2.19KB   15 downloads

Renatus Theiller, DEU, 12 victories, +24.Mar.
Attached File  theiller-ace.rar   2.1KB   18 downloads

Hans Berr, DEU, 10 victories, +6.Apr.
Attached File  berr-ace.rar   2.17KB   17 downloads

Wilhelm Frankl, DEU, 20 victories, +8.Apr.
Attached File  frankl-ace.rar   2.18KB   15 downloads

Adolf Schulte, DEU, 9 victories, +12.Apr.
Attached File  schulte-ace.rar   2.19KB   15 downloads

Lancelot L. Richardson, AUS, 7 victories, +13.Apr.
Attached File  richardson-ace.rar   2.19KB   15 downloads

Hartmuth Baldamus, DEU, 18 victories, +14.Apr.
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Sebastian Festner, DEU, 12 victories, +25 Apr.
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John J. Malone, CAN, 10 victories, +30.Apr.
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#54 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 16:25

Albert Ball, completed
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Edmund Nathanael, DEU, 15 victories, +11.May
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Hermann Pfeiffer, 11 victories, +20.May
Attached File  pfeiffer-ace.rar   2.16KB   17 downloads

Frederik J.H. Thayre, GBR, 20 victories, +6.June
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#55 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 17:06


Look at the table - i've marked byred highlighting aces who have missed data for 1.sep.1916 - 31.dec.1916 period (Ball, Brumowski, Buckler, Gilmour, Little, McCudden, Müller). Please somebody - fill this gap.

Done. Corrections to early 1917 data marked by yellow highlighting.

Attached File  1916-data-ace.zip   4.15KB   19 downloads

Uncorrected errors that remain:

"Pinsart" should be "Pinsard"

The country for Hoidge should be "CAN" rather than "GBR"
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#56 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 18:10

In the top 50 lists, I propose that where there is a tie between pilots, the tie-breaker be the date on which the most recent kill occured, with earlier dates ranking higher than later.

In that case I have some re-rankings to propose from the current top 50 list (only changes are included).
In all cases except one, these are obvious from the dates in the table.

11Nov1918
Rank Pilot

8 Löwenhardt
9 MacLaren

21 Nungesser
22 Hazell
23 Bäumer

32 Jordan (12 Aug)
33 Gass (13 Aug)

43 Woollett
44 McCall
45 Boyau
46 Schleich
47 Thuy
48 Dörr
49 Veltjens
50 Könnecke

The same approach should be used for the other top 50 lists, but using the most recent kill from that date.

While working on this, spotted and corrected an error in the Linke-Crawford line.

Attached File  corrected-Linke-Crawford-ace.zip   3.03KB   16 downloads

New eratta: (well, not so much errors as a keyboard transcription problem - I don't have a german keyboard)…
Please substitute Allmenröder for Allmenroeder, Bülow-Bothkamp for Buelow-Bothkamp, Schäfer for Schaefer, and Wüsthoff for Wuesthoff.
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#57 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 07:03

What to do with 2-seater Aces? Kills are credited to both, pilot and gunner. So implement both?
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#58 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 13:12

Last ones, free-time is over:

Francis R, Cubbon (gunner of pilot Thyre, listed above), 21 victories
Attached File  cubbon-ace.rar   2.22KB   14 downloads

Albert Dossenbach, DEU, 15 victories
Attached File  dossenbach-ace.rar   2.24KB   14 downloads

Kurt Schneider, DEU, 15 victories
Attached File  schneider-ace.rar   2.12KB   15 downloads

Alfred Shepherd, AUS, 10 victories
Attached File  shepherd-ace.rar   2.23KB   14 downloads

Ellis Reid, CAN, 19 victories
Attached File  reid-ace.rar   2.22KB   8 downloads

Arnold Chadwick, CAN, 11 victories
Attached File  chadwick-ace.rar   2.24KB   8 downloads

Walter Höhndorf, DEU, 12 victories
Attached File  höhndorf-ace.rar   2.23KB   7 downloads

Louis F. Jenkin, GBR, 22 victories
Attached File  jenkin-ace.rar   2.23KB   15 downloads

Hans Ritter von Adam, DEU, 21 victories
Attached File  adam-ace.rar   2.22KB   14 downloads

Rudolph von Eschwege, DEU, 29 victories
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#59 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 13:13

Erwin Böhme, DEU, 24 victories
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Hans-Joachim Buddecke, DEU, 13 victories
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Hans Bethge, DEU, 20 victories
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#60 Han

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 15:54

I hope I did this correct :roll:
… to implement Aces who are already dead by Sep.1916 but have a chance to enter the Top 50? Like Immelmann for example?
Yes, that is cool! And it's very correct and necessary!

Hans von Keudell, DEU, 12 victories, +15 Feb.17
von keudell-ace.rar contains .ODS file, I can't use it. Please put XLS file.

What to do with 2-seater Aces? Kills are credited to both, pilot and gunner. So implement both?
No, pilots only

In the top 50 lists, I propose that where there is a tie between pilots, the tie-breaker be the date on which the most recent kill occured, with earlier dates ranking higher than later.
In that case I have some re-rankings to propose from the current top 50 list (only changes are included).
In all cases except one, these are obvious from the dates in the table.
It's simple EXCEL sorting. GUI will have 2nd level sorting - if 3 aces will have 15 kills, than ace with most recent 15th kill will be above, and ace with most elder 15th kill will be below.

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2 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA:
Exelent, due to your efforts we have closed gaps in existing ases 1916 story. Thank you!

2 WW1EAF_Paf:
Damn, this was a big jump to our target, thank you! Exelent!


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Table is arranged by surnames.

Guys, we are close! Please help everyone who can do it. Looks like 1918 three top-50 lists have estabilished, need to re-view 1916 and 1917 top-50 lists. Way to go!
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#61 HotTom

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 16:11

What to do with 2-seater Aces? Kills are credited to both, pilot and gunner. So implement both?

Yes, both received credit officially.

Charles Gass was the top F2b ace with 39 kills –and he was an observer.

His pilots changed and whoever was flying the plane that day received credit when Gass was credited with a kill:

http://www.theaerodr...ngland/gass.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theaerodr...ngland/gass.php

Alfred Atkey usually was Gass's pilot but Atkey had 9 kills with other observers while flying DH4a prior to switching to F2bs:

http://www.theaerodr...anada/atkey.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theaerodr...anada/atkey.php

Hope that helps.

Now all we need are F2bs and DH4s in the sim :!:

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#62 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 17:05

von keudell-ace.rar contains .ODS file, I can't use it. Please put XLS file.

Ups, something went wrong there with saving.
Here is XLS version:
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#63 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 18:26


In the top 50 lists, I propose that where there is a tie between pilots, the tie-breaker be the date on which the most recent kill occured, with earlier dates ranking higher than later.
In that case I have some re-rankings to propose from the current top 50 list (only changes are included).
In all cases except one, these are obvious from the dates in the table.
It's simple EXCEL sorting. GUI will have 2nd level sorting - if 3 aces will have 15 kills, than ace with most recent 15th kill will be above, and ace with most elder 15th kill will be below.


But that is the reverse of a seniority system! :roll:

An ace who achieved his 15th kill in 1916 should outrank an ace who achieved his 15th kill in 1917 and both should outrank an ace who got his 15th kill in 1918 if only because we should show respect to our elders! :)
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#64 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 18:29


In the top 50 lists, I propose that where there is a tie between pilots, the tie-breaker be the date on which the most recent kill occured, with earlier dates ranking higher than later.
In that case I have some re-rankings to propose from the current top 50 list (only changes are included).
In all cases except one, these are obvious from the dates in the table.
It's simple EXCEL sorting. GUI will have 2nd level sorting - if 3 aces will have 15 kills, than ace with most recent 15th kill will be above, and ace with most elder 15th kill will be below.


But that is the reverse of a seniority system! :roll:

An ace who achieved his 15th kill in 1916 should outrank an ace who achieved his 15th kill in 1917 and both should outrank an ace who got his 15th kill in 1918 if only because we should show respect to our elders! :)

OK, I may be a bit biased here, having just celebrated my 68th birthday! :)
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#65 Han

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 18:53

But that is the reverse of a seniority system! :roll:
An ace who achieved his 15th kill in 1916 should outrank an ace who achieved his 15th kill in 1917 and both should outrank an ace who got his 15th kill in 1918 if only because we should show respect to our elders! :)
It's discussible. May be a pool? :-)

OK, I may be a bit biased here, having just celebrated my 68th birthday! :)
Oh! Please take my congratulations! ;) ;) ;)

Ups, something went wrong there with saving.
Here is XLS version:
Ok, implemented.

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#66 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 20:36

Han, I'll take you up on the poll (pool) suggestion.

We can take a quick poll of those who are following this thread:

Given the following information, what rank order (1,2,3) would you give the following pilots as of Jan30, 1917?

Total Kills by date in 1917 Pilot Jan1 Jan5 Jan10 Jan15 Jan20 Jan25 Jan30 red 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 green 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 blue 1 3 5 7 9 10 10
The two schemes discussed so far would result in either:

1:red 2:blue 3:green (Han's proposal)

or

1:green 2:blue 3:red (Tushka's proposal)

So what rank order would you give?
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#67 HotTom

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 23:08

Han, I'll take you up on the poll (pool) suggestion.

We can take a quick poll of those who are following this thread:

Given the following information, what rank order (1,2,3) would you give the following pilots as of Jan30, 1917?


Total Kills by date in 1917

Pilot Jan1 Jan5 Jan10 Jan15 Jan20 Jan25 Jan30
red 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
green 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
blue 1 3 5 7 9 10 10

The two schemes discussed so far would result in either:

1:red 2:blue 3:green (Han's proposal)

or

1:green 2:blue 3:red (Tushka's proposal)

So what rank order would you give?

This is the way rankings usually are done in sports showing ties and listing them by the first one to reach the number first and the most recent shown last) and it is what I would use:

Name (Kills)

1. Purple (12)
2. Blue (10 - tie)
red (10 - tie)
green (10- tie)
5. Yellow (9)
6. Orange (7)

Just my 2 cents….
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#68 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 09:17

Yes, I also think this would be best solution if possible.
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#69 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 17:15

This is the way rankings usually are done in sports showing ties and listing them by the first one to reach the number first and the most recent shown last) and it is what I would use:

Name (Kills)

1. Purple (12)
2. Blue (10 - tie)
red (10 - tie)
green (10- tie)
5. Yellow (9)
6. Orange (7)

Just my 2 cents….

It would be nice to be able to note ties, but that is adding something new.

It is the ranking within the #2 spot that we are discussing. And you don't seem to be using your own criterion of ranking them by the first one to reach the number first. Why blue, red, green? That isn't even alphabetical. :) Shouldn't it be green, blue, red according to your method (which sounds functionally identical to what I am proposing)?

I was going with the assumption that the ranking would be 1 though 50 as shown on the distributed example where currently ties are ranked by whatever mechanism the spreadsheet sort uses…

So to repeat my question, if you had to rank the three pilots I listed, how would you rank them? Your response avoided/evaded the question. :)
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 19:14

This is the way rankings usually are done in sports showing ties and listing them by the first one to reach the number first and the most recent shown last) and it is what I would use:

Name (Kills)

1. Purple (12)
2. Blue (10 - tie)
red (10 - tie)
green (10- tie)
5. Yellow (9)
6. Orange (7)

Just my 2 cents….

It would be nice to be able to note ties, but that is adding something new.

It is the ranking within the #2 spot that we are discussing. And you don't seem to be using your own criterion of ranking them by the first one to reach the number first. Why blue, red, green? That isn't even alphabetical. :) Shouldn't it be green, blue, red according to your method (which sounds functionally identical to what I am proposing)?

I was going with the assumption that the ranking would be 1 though 50 as shown on the distributed example where currently ties are ranked by whatever mechanism the spreadsheet sort uses…

So to repeat my question, if you had to rank the three pilots I listed, how would you rank them? Your response avoided/evaded the question. :)

No, you avoided reading my response :lol:

Here's what I said:

listing them by the first one to reach the number first and the most recent shown last

I didn't put dates on my example but the way they are listed assumes the top one reached the number on the earliest date (was first to reach the number).

S!

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 02:21



So to repeat my question, if you had to rank the three pilots I listed, how would you rank them? Your response avoided/evaded the question. :)

No, you avoided reading my response :lol:

Here's what I said:

listing them by the first one to reach the number first and the most recent shown last

I didn't put dates on my example but the way they are listed assumes the top one reached the number on the earliest date (was first to reach the number).

S!

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I read and understood your response, but your response seems to be ignoring the data I presented.

Pilot "green" achieved 10 kills before anyone else, so of the "10 kills" group should be listed first. You listed "blue" first.

Pilot "red" achieved 10 kills last, yet you placed him second in the "10 kills" group.

I asked how you would rank the pilots given the data I presented. I don't see any logical correlation between that data and the ranking you gave, and it doesn't match the explanation you presented.

We both seem to agree that the first pilot to achieve the mark should rank above johnny-come-latelys.

We should be in total agreement. I don't see how you came up with blue, red, green! Please explain.
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#72 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 20:04

I decided at this point it is better to work from the bottom up. :)

I have gone through all the aces with 5 kills who are not already listed, selecting only those with 5 kills by 1 January 1917. There are 20 of them, and they are all in the attached file:
Attached File  tushka5kills.zip   3.96KB   17 downloads

I'll next work on the aces with 6 kills, with the criterion being either 6 kills by 1 January 1917, or five kills by that date and at least enough kills by 1 September 1916 to get on the list (2 at the moment… but a moving target).
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#73 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 20:37

Sorry Tushka,
My approach to start with early Aces left some gaps and its maybe a bit confusing now for you to look through all the names now, but when I started I didnt know any better …
I wanted to fill the gaps, but work is in the way now and will be at least till deadline :(

But wouldnt it be helpful for maybe some future features to have all the Aces in the database, Han?
That would be the most easiest approach for sharing the work, just let add them all :)
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#74 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 21:59

Duplicate post (without attachment) deleted.
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#75 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:01

Still working from the bottom up.

Here are aces with 6 kills who either have 6 kills by 1 January 1917, or five kills by that date and at least 2 kills by 1 September 1916. However, that latter group (2 pilots) no longer actually qualifies for inclusion because of the number in the first group (8 pilots)… and these also disqualify 10 of the 5-kills aces posted earlier.

Attached File  tushka6kills.zip   3.53KB   17 downloads

I'll next work on the 7 kills aces, with the criteria being either 6 kills by 1 January 1917 or 5 kills by 1 September 1916.
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#76 =69.GIAP=TUSHKA

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Posted 11 October 2010 - 22:09

Sorry Tushka,
My approach to start with early Aces left some gaps and its maybe a bit confusing now for you to look through all the names now, but when I started I didnt know any better …
I wanted to fill the gaps, but work is in the way now and will be at least till deadline :(

But wouldnt it be helpful for maybe some future features to have all the Aces in the database, Han?
That would be the most easiest approach for sharing the work, just let add them all :)

No problem! I'm just combing the list for pilots who may still qualify, and getting a very low hit rate now… estimate one in twenty or less in the 5 and 6 kills groups. It is very quick work… if I don't see a bunch of kills in 1916 I skip to the next one. :)

However, adding all the aces would be at least twenty times the work!

OK, I added 30 pilots out of 555 scanned, which is close to 1 in 20, but only half of them still qualify, which makes the real rate closer to 1 in 40. As the criteria get tighter, the work load lessens. :)
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#77 Han

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 13:24

So.. No more aces can hit no one of Up-To-Time-Top50Lists? If it is - than we may suppose that aces-list compiling work is finished!

Also, about same-kill-count ranking - ok, we will do like you have suggested:
In row of aces with same number of kills: ace with most recent last kill will be at the bottom of the row, and the ace with oldest last kill will be at top of the row.


SUMMARY TABLE ver013 re-attached to first post
please re-download

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#78 ImPeRaToR

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 13:28

Deadline is 20th october.

aces-list compiling work is finished!

great work guys, one week ahead of the schedule :D
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#79 Han

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 13:50

It was a question, not statement ;-)
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#80 WW1EAF_Paf

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 13:57

Han,
checking the updated list, Evans is a duplicate.
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