
The Death of Werner Voss.. A video documentary
#41
Posted 21 July 2010 - 11:44
Bravo!
#42
Posted 21 July 2010 - 16:17

#43
Posted 22 July 2010 - 00:16

Not really, feedback always welcome.. Re. the pictures being too central - I agree - I tried to put them to the side in the first place but couldn't work out how! It's Sony Vegas, and I've only just bought it - so a lot of the video is trial and error

The next one will be better!
Here's the new link..
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=mKspJtIMPH0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">
#44
Posted 22 July 2010 - 02:58
Have you disabled post effects in your startup.cfg?
That fixed mine. It's 98% smooth now
HTH
#45
Posted 22 July 2010 - 04:01
More, more!
S!
Gunny
#46
Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:24
Gisbod, in your sig it states you want to get rid of shimmering.
Have you disabled post effects in your startup.cfg?
That fixed mine. It's 98% smooth now
HTH
Thanks Readyman, but tried that already, along with a thousand other attempts. The bottom line is I've been corresponding with Han on the shimmering and they know it was something they changed in 1.012 - but they don't know what!

It's actually very limiting for making a movie, because everything has to be at high altitude, or very close up at low level or the shimmering looks hideous - You can't really see it in the film - but that took quite a lot of effort on my part to mask during the edit stage! It's a real restriction

Oh well, one day. I've kinda given up on it now…

#47
Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:11



Was it true Voss was pissed as a fart that fateful day possibly accounting for his apparently cavalier, if not downright cocky, attitude ?
#48
Posted 22 July 2010 - 13:19
#49
Posted 22 July 2010 - 14:59
I think staying and fighting was all he could do and he knew it.
I agree with you. From what I have read, Voss didnt have an opportunity to extend away. Also Voss was pretty burnt out by then. You can see in the last photograph taken of him with his brothers (shortly before his fateful flight) he looks exhausted.

Voss was also due for leave that day. With his score standing at 48 it must of been tempting for him to raise it to 50. Perhaps fatigue clouded his judgement or it was just pure bravado?
In anycase its a dogfight that passed into legend.
#50
Posted 22 July 2010 - 15:38
I watched the video again and I'm really impressed with it, very professional looking.
#51
Posted 22 July 2010 - 16:41
I think staying and fighting was all he could do and he knew it.
I agree with you. From what I have read, Voss didnt have an opportunity to extend away. Also Voss was pretty burnt out by then. You can see in the last photograph taken of him with his brothers (shortly before his fateful flight) he looks exhausted.
Voss was also due for leave that day. With his score standing at 48 it must of been tempting for him to raise it to 50. Perhaps fatigue clouded his judgement or it was just pure bravado?
In anycase its a dogfight that passed into legend.
No doubt squid, I am sure he saw those two SE5s and saw it as a sign of fate but once the battle was joined by the rest of the SE5s the writing was on the wall and he had joined a battle he could have no chance in withdrawing. Kinda makes you wonder what we would have done in a similar situation, having that many kills and knowing your skill and having the advantage of suprise would have been enough to trigger the predator instinct in anyone.
BTW Was Mccudden shot down or did he survive the war? I saw those quotes, were the excerpts from memiors or from an interview shortly after the fight?
#52
Posted 22 July 2010 - 16:44
The qoutes are excerpts from his memoirs (Ive just read them recently). The book was published before his death.
#53
Posted 22 July 2010 - 16:52
BTW Was Mccudden shot down or did he survive the war? I saw those quotes, were the excerpts from memiors or from an interview shortly after the fight?
Jump back to the top of page 3.

#54
Posted 22 July 2010 - 17:46
#55
Posted 22 July 2010 - 17:51
The slight desaturation of the landscape colors used in this video is a huge improvement to the looks of the terrain. I hope the devs take note of this and realize how much it helps and I don't think it would be that difficult for them to make the change. I mentioned this shortly after ROF first came out and here is proof of the improvement.
I watched the video again and I'm really impressed with it, very professional looking.
Well, I'm with you on that - I think the colours are a bit too bright and jolly for a moody WW1 sim..
I was hoping the HDR would give the effect produced in the video, but it's still unusable for the external views for making videos - I still think it needs a tweak - it took about 2 minutes to produce the effect I was after in Vegas..

#56
Posted 22 July 2010 - 18:56
Voss was just 20 when he died..
Here's the common grave where Voss and Boehme are buried:
Ball also was 20. Here's where he crashed. He is buried very near by in a German cemetery:
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#57
Posted 22 July 2010 - 19:28
Richthofen provides a fair contrast, his confidence and bravado are certainly there, but again you get the impression of Naivety of youth again.
I think that given their age they did show an incredible amount of maturity and certainly bravery, but you can tell they were pretty much kids.
I also think that Richthofens death was due to stress. After all he broke just about evert rule he drummed into his jasta, and as a result died. His behaviour was totally out of character. We will never know what he was thinking.
Ball, the ulitmate risk taker just reached the end of the line I think. Nobody could of sustained behaviour like his and survived. Here is an extract from one of his letters home
“Am feeling very poo-poo today. Five of my best pals were done in yesterday, and I think it so rotten”
Incredible language choice. It would seem he also chose gardening as an escape from his war.
“Will you do me the great favour of sending me one packet of marrow seeds, one of carrots, and a good big packet of mustard and cress? Also I would like few flower seeds, one packet of sweet peas and any other flowers that will grow quickly.
I have only just missed being done in today. I was on 7 o'clock patrol and I saw over the lines a lot of transports in a wood. I went over the lines in order to have a good look, so that I could report the place, the old huns did not like it. They surrounded us with shells from their archie guns, and at last we were hit. One of my cylinders was smashed off, also the machine got a few through it. Only just missed my leg.
I got up at 6am. It was raining , so I could not fly. However I got my tools and set to work on my garden, for rainy days are just right for setting seeds. In three hours I managed to dig a piece of ground 12 feet by 6 feet. In this I planted green peas. I hope to get in a few rows of beans tomorrow, if I have time to dig another piece of ground.”
Incredible! Notice he asked for fast growing flowers.
Im sure they were well aware of the risks they took, but that they also possesed the imortallity that youth gives you. Even so they were amazing individuals, especially given their young years.
The above letters were taken from "Fighter Heroes of WW1" by Joshua Levin. An excellent book, grab a copy if you can, you wont be dissapointed.
#58
Posted 22 July 2010 - 19:31
#59
Posted 22 July 2010 - 19:33
#60
Posted 22 July 2010 - 19:39
#61
Posted 22 July 2010 - 19:45
There's a new book that came out just last month on Ball. No review yet so I have no idea whether it's any good:
http://www.amazon.co...79827550&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...BERT-BALL-VC-FI … 550&sr=8-1
I've read this one and it's quite good. It was originally published about 15 years ago, paperback came out last year:
http://www.amazon.co...79827550&sr=8-7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...bert-Ball-VC-Ch … 550&sr=8-7
HT
#62
Posted 22 July 2010 - 19:46
#63
Posted 22 July 2010 - 20:01
I've just finished "on a wing and a prayer" by Joshua Levine.. But it sounds like the same book I reckon.. All excerpts and quotes.. Great read.. And "Aces Falling" by Peter Hart.. Similar stuff.. Love the first hand accounts
Just got back from town where I saw "Aces Falling" a bookshop window (so I bought it).
Had the "Fighting Heroes of WW1" for a little while now, I usually take it on holidays as it's style of short excerpts fits in well for when I'm waiting for the missus to actually get ready for wherever it is we are going to visit.
#64
Posted 22 July 2010 - 20:20
#65
Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:21
I've just finished "on a wing and a prayer" by Joshua Levine.. But it sounds like the same book I reckon.. All excerpts and quotes.. Great read.. And "Aces Falling" by Peter Hart.. Similar stuff.. Love the first hand accounts
I'm reading Sagittarius Rising by Lewis, yet again.. the second time. It's one of the most moving accounts of the war told from a flyers perspective that I have read.
Please check your PM here.
#66
Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:25
#67
Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:08
Rabu: I think it's a great effect that nicely stylises his video, but I wouldn't like it that way in-game. The world IS bright and colourful, and even though WWI was gritty, I don't want to feel like I'm flying around in Band of Brothers all the time just for the sake of it.
#68
Posted 23 July 2010 - 15:26
I just found out from Jason that there is an adjustment in a cfg file for saturation. Apparently this was added at some time after the original comments about saturation were brought up a year ago or so. I should have done some searches for the subject, but assumed that if Gisbod didn't use it there wasn't an in game adjustment for it.
I'm doing some testing on it when I get a chance and will post some comparisons if any one is interested.
#69
Posted 23 July 2010 - 15:27
#70
Posted 23 July 2010 - 15:28
Let us know how you get on (with screenies)

#71
Posted 23 July 2010 - 16:40
#72
Posted 23 July 2010 - 17:57
Jorri,
There's a new book that came out just last month on Ball. No review yet so I have no idea whether it's any good:
http://www.amazon.co...79827550&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co...BERT-BALL-VC-FI … 550&sr=8-1
Never judge a book by its cover….OOPS I did, and moved on

Just ordered Albert Ball v.c. by Chaz Bowyer. Looking forward to seeing it arrive in the mail! thanks.
#73
Posted 23 July 2010 - 20:27
see from 1:20
#74
Posted 23 July 2010 - 20:35
Dogfights: the first dogfighters 2/5
…..is now obsolete

#75
Posted 24 July 2010 - 01:43
Yes please Rabu. I love tweaking and the desaturation levels are dying to be played with.
Let us know how you get on (with screenies)
Will do.. weekend is coming up and should have some time to experiment, also put in the extra RAM that arrived this week. Hope it will boost up my detail levels a bit too.. it was another thing I was going to get back with everyone about, I think it will really help.
#76
Posted 24 July 2010 - 02:56

Overall, great job. I really liked it.
#77
Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:15

The Red Baron movie and the Dogfight series just seem so over the top to me. I wish Spielberg would make a WW1 (aerial) film along the lines of "Saving Private Ryan" - Where it's more of a reality film, and not looking like they're all driving Tie fighters round the sky..

#78
Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:36
I had a couple of great clips ruined by "all enemy aircraft down" or "you have been killed - press esc to exit"

#79
Posted 24 July 2010 - 09:12
Other than making an actual mission (rather than the QMB) and adding an EA far away from the "acton" I don't think we can get rid of these messages. Using the QMB all flights of EA seem to spawn at the same distance from you, you cannot have one group spawn really far away (so you don't get the "all enemies have been defeated" message) when you get your combat shot from one cockpit, and I can't think of a way to get rid of the "you have been killed" message either (at least in QMB).
#80
Posted 24 July 2010 - 10:29
I was wondering whether there was something in the start-up file settings perhaps?
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