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Offline Happyhaddock
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Just to add in my tuppenyworth, I've mentioned before that I've found ROF to be far more CPU hungry than GPU dependent. I've an ancient PC yet can still run ROF with all the graphics maxed out, and run it at the highest resolution my screen will display without massively affecting frames per second simply because the limiting factor is the CPU which can't achieve really quick frame rates even on minimum graphics settings.

Win XP (32bit)
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2Gb RAM
Radeon 4870 (1280x1084 resolution)

On this basic set up the game "looks" superb and typically gives 25fps dropping below 20fps when then the action hots up with lots of planes. I know these are hardly great refresh rates but are quite playable given the age of my PC, all the more so when I read of folk here with far "better spec" machines grumbling about turning down the graphics settings just to make this sim plyable.
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#11 Post Wed 08 Feb 2012, 15:31

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banjoboy1966 wrote:
My power supply says 480 watts max. And yes, I am going for the absolute lowest budget possible at the moment. Thanks for all this help. Roy


Some would take issue with me on this recommendation and try to determine what your +12VDC rail or a tally of all your +12VDC rails would be, current-wise...As far as I can tell, that 480 watt PSU should be ok to drop in anything from a GTX 550Ti / GTS 450 or Radeon HD 6770 / 5770 on down to the minimums I've listed in my prior posts in this thread, and get ROF to run decently depending on settings.

With your current CPU, memory and PSU setup, I estimate the best settings you're likely to get would be medium, with a few highs sprinkled in perhaps depending on the graphics card used.

Good luck sir.
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#12 Post Thu 09 Feb 2012, 00:31

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Happyhaddock wrote:
Just to add in my tuppenyworth, I've mentioned before that I've found ROF to be far more CPU hungry than GPU dependent. I've an ancient PC yet can still run ROF with all the graphics maxed out, and run it at the highest resolution my screen will display without massively affecting frames per second simply because the limiting factor is the CPU which can't achieve really quick frame rates even on minimum graphics settings.

Win XP (32bit)
AMD dual Athlon 2.1Mhz
2Gb RAM
Radeon 4870 (1280x1084 resolution)

On this basic set up the game "looks" superb and typically gives 25fps dropping below 20fps when then the action hots up with lots of planes. I know these are hardly great refresh rates but are quite playable given the age of my PC, all the more so when I read of folk here with far "better spec" machines grumbling about turning down the graphics settings just to make this sim plyable.


Happy, I'll agree that your rig will run ROF pretty well but I think the one component that is making it so is that very capable HD 4870, which is still a good card today.

I'm not sure about the CPU as most people have a tendency to list what Windows tells them it is ( such as AMD Athlon dual core @ 2.1 ghz ) which means I generally have to look it up on a table to get the actual model number ( or guess at it ) then I can see what benchmarks are available, as well as estimate the data throughput.

For instance, there is an AMD X2 4050e "Brisbane" and an Athlon 64 X2 4000+ " Brisbane ", which perform slightly different but are still AMD dual cores and operate at a stock freq. of 2.1ghz. Both are socket AM2, which means that you are most likely using DDR2 memory, anywhere from 400mhz to 800mhz...but that's just a guess. ;)

It is my decidedly unprofessional but fairly practiced opinion :P that ROF will play on any mid-end machine from 2006'ish to present, as long as it meets the graphics card requirements.

Happy, your card actually exceeds the minimum requirements by a fair margin IMO. Although not as powerful as the HD 5850 in the recommended requirements, it's no slouch.

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#13 Post Thu 09 Feb 2012, 00:58

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I'm on Window 7. I've got 6 Go of live memory (of which 4 is available for use - which I never understood how to fix)


Ok. Which version of Win7 do you have? On 32-bit Windows, most RAM above 3.5 to 4gb is not addressed the same way as 64-bit Windows, so you will see something like 4gb "available" while having typically more than that.

Upgrading to 64-bit Windows will change the way that RAM is accessed, showing most of it available instead.

Staying with 32-bit Windows will limit how your memory is used by the OS. Don't get me wrong, it's still "used", just differently as I understand it.
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#14 Post Thu 09 Feb 2012, 01:05

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navair,

for refernce its the AMD dual athlon 4200+ (manchester chipset socket 939 if memory serves me right) Although bought a good while ago it was the overclockers CPU of choice at that time. memory is DDR2 listed as 400Mhz on the sticker on the chipset but the Bios shows it as only 333Mhz.

As for the graphics card it was a second hand e-bay bargain for just £40 which seemed too good to resist when I randomly stumbled upon ROf last summer after a fifteen year absecnce from flight sims and computer gaming.
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#15 Post Thu 09 Feb 2012, 08:39

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navair2 wrote:
banjoboy1966 wrote:
I'm on Window 7. I've got 6 Go of live memory (of which 4 is available for use - which I never understood how to fix)


Ok. Which version of Win7 do you have? On 32-bit Windows, most RAM above 3.5 to 4gb is not addressed the same way as 64-bit Windows, so you will see something like 4gb "available" while having typically more than that.

Upgrading to 64-bit Windows will change the way that RAM is accessed, showing most of it available instead.

Staying with 32-bit Windows will limit how your memory is used by the OS. Don't get me wrong, it's still "used", just differently as I understand it.


Whilst upgrading to 64 Bit will make the extra 2GB available to Windows, your 32 Bit software (probably all of your software, definitely RoF) will still not be able to use it. Get Dataram's Ramdisk (free download), create a 2GB Ramdisk, put your swap file on it.
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#16 Post Thu 09 Feb 2012, 12:53

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Monitors:

OK people, I've decided to throw in a bit about monitors and how they affect your overall performance in Rise of Flight. This subject can be somewhat non-specific, but there are things about monitors that most people don't take into account when running an application that is graphics-intensive, SUCH AS RISE OF FLIGHT * insert shameless "plug" for product *. :P

The monitor(s) you use can make or break your enjoyment of any game or application, especially if the corresponding hardware is unable to function well with it.

Monitors come in varying shapes and sizes, but there are certain standards that have become popular for PC's over the years. Today's "sweet spot", for example, is the run-of-the-mill 24" widescreen LCD with a native resolution ( native meaning that its greatest output efficiency comes when it is run at that resolution ) of 1920 x 1080 pixels...sometimes known as "full HD" or 1080p.

Some of you may have monitors that are better than that ( meaning more pixels ) and therefore are able to get an even sharper and crisper image overall; I personally have a Samsung SyncMaster 2343BWX running at 2048 x 1152...some may have the newest and latest 30" monitors from Dell and other manufacturers that are able to display 2560 x 1600 pixels ( nice! ) which can cost quite a bit of cash. :!:

The vast majority of users out there are probably using either square ( 4:3 ratio ) or widescreen ( 16:9 or 16:10 ratio ) LCD flat panels with resolutions anywhere from 1280 x 720 to 1900 x 1200. The point I'm trying to make is this: Native resolutions vary from size to manufacturer, and that's what the variable settings in the ROF launcher are for...to "custom tune" the game so that you are able to run it with a wide range of graphics hardware, which includes your monitor.

Now to the "nuts and bolts" of why I am writing this post...

The reason why it's important to keep in mind what your monitor specs are like, is because the higher the resolution being displayed, the lower your frame rates will be when in the midst of a dogfight or otherwise detail-intensive part of the game.

Sure, there are things such as Anisotropic Filtering, Anti-Aliasing, HDR, Supersampling and Bloom that mostly affect how hard the graphics card must work to DISPLAY that image, but resolution plays a part as well. So...the higher the resolution, the more powerful ( and expensive ) you want your graphics card to be, especially in terms of VRAM ( Video Random Access Memory ). 1 gigabyte is good, 2 gigabytes is even better.

In the end, having a decent monitor or monitors that give(s) you what you want in terms of eye candy is what flight simulations are all about. The rest of the components are what support that eye candy / beautiful image.

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#17 Post Sun 19 Feb 2012, 20:56

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Graphics cards:

Another of my (in)famous posts about all things "hardware", this pertains to the ubiquitous discrete add-in card that has been so popular the last 15-20 years or so.

Back in the "old days" of personal computers, graphics code was executed at the main processor CPU level...that is, until programs starting using more and better quality images ( which entailed more and more program code to wade through for said processor to execute ). Then IBM came along and invented the MDA and the rest is history. :D

For those of us that like flight simulations, REAL :lol: graphics cards came about somewhat like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit.

It's not entirely accurate, but it will suffice. Ok, that's the end of "Graphics Cards 101", time for specifics. As I've posted previously in this thread, Rise of Flight requires a certain "power level" to render graphics at an acceptable speed to make the sim playable...think of it in terms of "horsepower", and you'll do fine.

There are several factors that are used to determine said "horsepower", some of which include Memory Bandwidth ( nowadays expressed in terms of gigabytes per second throughput ), Texture Fill Rate, Pixel Fill Rate, FLOPs ( floating point operations ) and others not so important to this author. ;)

Knowing from published specifications on the back of product boxes from various copies of Rise of Flight, I have arrived at a comprehensive list of cards that should theoretically be able to run Rise of Flight from rather well to SPECTACULAR, if married to other hardware components that can feed the wee beasties sufficiently. Yes, I've posted most of this information already, but it doesn't hurt to "flesh things out" and get more specific. 8-)



Nvidia:

7000 series: 7900GTO, 7900GTX, 7900GX2, 7950GX2 (IMO these are running the ragged minimum edge of playability, people)

8000 series: 8600 ( perhaps, hard to tell ), 8600GTS ( maybe ), 8800GTS (maybe, if 640mb version), 8800GTS (512), 8800GT, 8800GTX, 8800 Ultra

9000 series: 9600GT (maybe), 9800GT, 9800GTX, 9800GTX+, 9800GX2

200 series: GT240 (DDR5)(maybe), GTS 250, GTX 260, GTX 275, GTX 280, GTX 285, GTX 290

400 series: GT440 (DDR5) (maybe), GTS 450, GTX 460 (any version), GTX 465, GTX 470, GTX 480

500 series: GT 545 (maybe), GTX 550Ti, GTX 560 (any version), GTX 570, GTX 580, GTX 590

600 series: GTX 640 (maybe), GTX 650, GTX 650Ti, GTX 660, GTX 660Ti, GTX 670, GTX 680, GTX 690

700 series: GTX 760, GTX 770, GTX 780, GTX 780Ti, GTX Titan ( Duh? It could run ROF by itself, without the rest of the computer, methinks :P )



AMD / ATI:

X1000 series: XT 1950 Crossfire, XT 1950GT, XT 1950GT, XT 1950 Pro, XT 1950XT, XT 1950XTX (rough and ragged here, as well)

2000 series: HD 2900 Pro, HD 2900 XT (once again, ragged edge performance especially in terms of texture fill rates)

3000 series: HD 3850 (maybe), HD 3870, HD 3870 X2

4000 series: HD 4830, HD 4850, HD 4870, HD 4870 X2, HD 4890

5000 series: HD 5670 (maybe), HD 5750, HD 5770, HD 5830, HD 5850, HD 5870, HD 5870 X2 (ASUS Ares), HD 5970

6000 series: HD 6570 (DDR5)(maybe), HD 6670 (DDR5)(maybe), HD 6750, HD 6770, HD 6790, HD 6850, HD 6870, HD 6870 X2, HD 6930, HD 6950, HD 6970, HD 6970 X2, HD 6990

7000 series: HD 7750, HD 7770, HD 7850, HD 7870, HD 7950, HD 7970, HD 7990



There you have it. The above is based on theoretical specs and data throughput and does not constitute approval by Rise of Flight ( 777 Studios ), its developers, marketing or owners past, present or future.

Be advised that these cards are based on my opinion only, specific combinations of hardware such as CPU, RAM and GPU may not work according to this guide, so be prepared to shell out some cash if you have older hardware and still want to enjoy this beautiful simulation. :o :lol:

As with all the previous information, this guide is intended for DESKTOP PC's and should not be used for mobile and laptop configurations.

* Yet another disclaimer: Lawsuits resulting from disappointment at being unable to enjoy Rise of Flight with hardware that may or may not meet minimum requirements, should be directed to the nearest roundfile. :P Thank you for your attention. *

Best regards.


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#18 Post Sun 19 Feb 2012, 22:27

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Please help me navair2!

I have a Nvidia Geforce 8600GT 512Mb
3Gb Ram
CPU Intel Core 2Duo E8500 3.16 GHz
XP SP3

With this config when i'm playng ROF i hear a sound from my computer like this "priiiiiiiiiiii priiiiiiiiii" LOL :). I think my 8600gt shouldn´t do but i have doubts about the cpu too?
I don't play ROF for two years ago. I want to buy a GTX 570 can i make this upgrade with this cpu and motherboard or i need to buy a new desktop? What do you sugest for an eye candy? :)
Please answer me.
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#19 Post Sat 07 Apr 2012, 12:19

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Well if u have money then u should consider buying the new system, motherboard, new cpu, new ram, new gpu, new psu, and if u have ectra money buy ssd. Adding the ultra gpu like 570 on old sistem will help but u will have a bottle neck from the rest of old components. I know i have a gf 460 1 gb , e6550 cpu adn motherboard with ddr2 ram. So iven the gpu isent the best or wery good it is beter then the rest of my comp, so the cpu , ddr2 and old mb r botleneck of it. So having the money for new sistem will solve all the problems for rof to play it like it should be. But money is allweys a problem, so baying a gpu will help, and u cann change the rest later. I hope thise helps, but weit for expert to show - navair2. :S!:
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